House Session, Part 2

House Session, Part 2


THE
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CLERK WILL REPORT THE TITLE OF THE BILL. H.R. 674, AN ACT TO AMEND THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986 TO REPEAL THE IMPOSITION OF 3% WITHHOLDING ON
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CERTAIN PAYMENTS MADE TO VENDORS BY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES,
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MODIFIED ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME TO MODIFY THE CALCULATION OF FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR CERTAIN HEALTH CARE-RELATED PROGRAMS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. SENATE AMENDMENT. PURSUANT TO THE RULE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. CAMP, AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. LEVIN, EACH WILL CONTROL 20 MINUTES. AND THE CHAIR NOW RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. CAMP. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT ALL MEMBERS MAY HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO REVISE AND EXTEND THEIR REMARKS AND INCLUDE EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL
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CONSIDERATION. ON THE BILL UNDER WITHOUT OBJECTION. I COME TO THE FLOOR TODAY IN SUPPORT OF PERMANENTLY REPEALING THE ONEROUS JOB-KILLING 3% WITHHOLDING LAW. DURING HOUSE ACTION LAST MONTH, THIS LEGISLATION GARNERED MORE THAN 400 VOTES FOR REPEAL AND PASSED, AS AMENDED, WITH AN
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OVERWHELMING 95 VOTES IN THE SENATE LAST WEEK. THE LEGISLATION WHICH HAS BEEN CHAMPIONED BY WAYS AND MEANS HEALTH SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRMAN, WALLY HERGER, AND OUR DEMOCRAT COLLEAGUE, EARL BLUMENAUER, IS SUPPORTED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA, AND MAKES CLEAR THAT WHEN WE WORK TOGETHER WE CAN FIND BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT STIFLE JOB CREATION. THIS LEGISLATION DOES JUST THAT AND FREES UP VALUABLE RESOURCES BUSINESSES CAN USE FOR HIRING. IN ADDITION TO THE PROVISIONS IN THE HOUSE-PASSED 3% WITHHOLDING BILL, THE SENATE AMENDMENT CONTAINS A VARIETY OF VETERANS-RELATED PROVISIONS, A GROUP OF AMERICANS CLEARLY DESERVING OUR SUPPORT. FINALLY, THE SENATE AMENDMENT RETAINS ANOTHER PROVISION PASSED BY THIS HOUSE WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND AUTHORED BY ONE OF THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, REPRESENTATIVE DIANE BLACK. MRS. BLACK’S LEGISLATION MODIFIES THE INCOME DEFINITION FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR EXCHANGED SUBSIDIES, MEDICAID AND THE CHILDREN’S HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM. CONFORMING THE DEFINITION OF INCOME IN THE DEMOCRATS’ HEALTH CARE LAW TO THE STANDARD USED BY OTHER FEDERAL LOW-INCOME PROGRAMS SUCH AS FOOD STAMPS AND PUBLIC HOUSING. IN DOING SO TAXPAYERS SAVE $13 BILLION AND MEDICAID FUNDS WILL NOT BE DIVERTED AWAY FROM
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FAMILIES. SERVING AMERICA’S LOWEST INCOME MADAM SPEAKER, TODAY WE CAN TAKE THE FINAL STEP AND SEND THIS DEFICIT REDUCING AND JOB CREATING LEGISLATION TO THE PRESIDENT’S DESK. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE YES ON THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 674 AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS BILL INTO LAW, AND I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, MR. HERGER,
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CONTROL THE BALANCE OF THE TIME. WITHOUT OBJECTION, AND THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. LEVIN, IS RECOGNIZED. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. MADAM SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THIS BILL WILL PASS WITH OVERWHELMING SUPPORT. NEARLY EVERYONE AGREES THAT THE 3% WITHHOLDING PROVISION SHOULD BE REPEALED. IT WAS A MISGUIDED APPROACH WHEN IT WAS ENACTED BY THE LAST REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. AND IT IS MISGUIDED NOW. THAT IS WHY WE TRIED TO REPEAL IT EARLIER AND ULTIMATELY DELAYED ITS IMPLEMENTATION. ITS REPEAL, HOWEVER, SHOULD NOT BE CLAIMED AS A SIGNIFICANT JOBS BILL. AS ECONOMIST MARK ZANDI HAS I DON’T THINK IT’S MEANINGFUL IN TERMS OF JOBS. I THINK IT’S MORE TRYING TO CLEAN UP SOMETHING THAT NEEDS CLEANING UP, END OF QUOTE. THE VETERAN PROVISION IS A REAL
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JOBS BILL. THEY ARE A USEFUL START IN HELPING THOSE WHO HAVE LOYALLY SERVED OUR NATION FIND WORK. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF US SUPPORT THEM, INCLUDING THE TAX CREDITS TO ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO HIRE VETERANS. MOST ON OUR SIDE SUPPORT THESE PROVISIONS AND THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS PROPOSAL. BUT NO ONE SHOULD CONSIDER THESE MODEST STEPS AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR ACTION ON THE PRESIDENT’S COMPREHENSIVE JOBS PLAN WHICH REPUBLICANS HAVE SO FAR BLOCKED. THE PRESIDENT’S JOB PLAN THAT WOULD SAVE THE AVERAGE FAMILY $ 1,500 A YEAR. PAYROLL TAX CUTS FOR HIRING. AND INCENTIVES TO INVEST. IT INCLUDES AN INFRASTRUCTURE BANK AND $75 BILLION TO BUILD ROADS AND SCHOOLS. THAT’S A JOB AGENDA THAT COULD HELP MANY OF THE 14 MILLION
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AMERICANS WHO ARE STILL LOOKING FOR WORK. PICKING OUT TWO OF THE SMALLER PIECES OF THAT AGENDA AND SAYING YOU’VE ACTED ON THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS BILL IS REALLY DISINGENUOUS. THE 3% WITHHOLDING REPEAL AND THE VETERANS PROVISIONS ARE THINGS WE SHOULD DO, BUT WE MUST DO MUCH MORE.
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MILLIONS ARE COUNTING US TO DO MORE. SO PASSAGE OF THIS BILL TODAY REPRESENTS A CHALLENGE TO THE MAJORITY IN THIS HOUSE. YOUR BLOCKADE OF COMPREHENSIVE JOBS LEGISLATION AS PROPOSED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES THE BALANCE
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OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. I RISE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 674. MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE ARE WELL AWARE OF WHY THE 3% WITHHOLDING TAX MUST BE REPEALED. IT THREATENS THE CASH FLOW OF THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT SELL GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND IMPOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS ON CASH-STRAPPED STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE AND WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT FOR JOB CREATION. AMERICANS ARE HURTING. NEARLY 14 MILLION ARE UNABLE TO AND MILLIONS MORE ARE STUCK IN PART-TIME JOBS EVEN
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MORE. THOUGH THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK WE ARE NOW WELL INTO THE FOURTH YEAR OF THIS DOWNTURN AND MANY AMERICANS ARE INCREASINGLY DISCOURAGED ABOUT THE LONG-TERM FUTURE OF OUR ECONOMY. AMERICA’S JOB CREATORS ARE HURTING TOO. TODAY THOUSANDS OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WILL SIT DOWN, LOOK OVER THEIR BOOKS AND TRY TO DISCERN WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. THEY ARE UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHETHER THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT DEMAND FOR THEIR GOODS AND SERVICES. THEY ARE UNCERTAIN ABOUT HOW EUROPE’S FISCAL CRISIS WILL AFFECT OUR ECONOMY AND WHETHER WE WOULD DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO ADDRESS OUR OWN DEBT CRISIS BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE. AND THEY’RE UNCERTAIN ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF GOVERNMENT POLICY, WHETHER WASHINGTON WILL CONTINUE TO HAND DOWN NEW TAXES AND REGULATIONS THAT STIFLE ECONOMIC GROWTH. THE 3% WITHHOLDING TAX IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF GOVERNMENT POLICIES THAT DISCOURAGE JOB CREATION. WHEN SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ARE EVALUATING WHETHER THEIR INVESTMENT WILL ALLOW THEM TO MAKE A LIVING, IT MATTERS IF A NEW TAX IS GOING TO CUT OFF THEIR CASH FLOW IN JUST OVER A YEAR. REPEALING THIS TAX IS ONE IMPORTANT STEP. IT SENDS A MESSAGE TO AMERICA’S JOB CREATORS THAT JOBS ARE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AND THAT CONGRESS IS COMMITTED TO UNDOING POLICIES THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF RESTORING PROSPERITY.
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I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I NOW YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF OUR COMMITTEE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. LEWIS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. MADAM SPEAKER, I
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WANT TO THANK MR. LEVIN FOR YIELDING. MADAM SPEAKER, THE MOST IMPORTANT TASK WE FACE TODAY IS
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HELPING AMERICANS GET BACK TO WORK. PEOPLE STOP ME ALL OVER METRO ATLANTA AND TELL ME HOW LONG THEY’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS THEY HAVE FILLED OUT, HOW MANY RESUMES THEY HAVE SENT. AND WITH THE UNEMPLOYMENT FOR VETERANS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN OVER 10%, THIS IS A GOOD START. IT IS A NECESSARY START. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK, WHO NEED TO WORK. THEY DON’T WANT A HANDOUT. THEY WANT A JOB. THESE MEN AND WOMEN PUT ON THAT UNIFORM TO SERVE AND PROTECT OUR COUNTRY. WE CAN AND MUST DO MORE TO SERVICE. IT IS SIMPLY THE RIGHT AND GOOD THING TO DO. NOW, I MUST SAY, MADAM SPEAKER, THAT I STRONGLY OBJECT TO THE REPUBLICAN EFFORT TO STAIN A BIPARTISAN BILL WITH A PARTISAN POISON PILL, MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR AMERICA’S SENIORS TO GET PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE AND MEDICAID. IT IS NOT RIGHT, IT IS NOT FAIR AND IT IS NOT JUST. AND WITH THAT I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD THREE MINUTES TO THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TENNESSEE, MRS. BLACK, WHO’S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL WORKING ON THIS LEGISLATION AND COMING UP FOR SAVINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO SEE THAT IT IS PAID FOR. THE
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GENTLELADY FROM TENNESSEE IS RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN HERGER. MADAM SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING I AM EXTREMELY PROUD THAT MY LEGISLATION IS PART OF THIS VERY WORTHY BIPARTISAN JOBS PACKAGE. CONGRESS CAN AND SHOULD WORK TOGETHER TO FIND COMMON GROUND AND FORWARD SOLUTION-BASED LEGISLATION LIKE WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING RIGHT HERE. TODAY, THE HOUSE WILL PASS A PACKAGE THAT NOT ONLY CREATES MORE CERTAINTY FOR SMALL BUSINESS, ENCOURAGES HIRING OF OUR NATION’S VETERANS, BUT IS ALSO PAID FOR THANKS TO MY LEGISLATION THAT REPEALS A COSTLY GLITCH IN THE HEALTH
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. CARE LAW. THIS LEGISLATION WILL SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I’VE SPOKEN ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT MY COST-SAVING LEGISLATION THAT IS NOW PART OF THIS PACKAGE. WHEN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT WAS PASSED, FEW REALIZED THAT THIS LEGISLATION CONTAINED A LOOPHOLE THAT WOULD ALLOW MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS TO RECEIVE MEDICAID BENEFITS. THE NEW INCOME FORMULA THAT DETERMINES ELIGIBILITY FOR GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED HEALTH INSURANCE,ED MODIFIED ADJUSTED
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FROM OTHER FEDERAL ASSISTANCE GROSS INCOME OR MAGI, DEVIATED PROGRAMS FAILING TO INCLUDE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS AS INCOME. UNDER THE HEALTH CARE LAW, A MARRIED COUPLE WITH AN INCOME, AN ANNUAL INCOME OF OVER $60,000 CAN COULD QUALIFY TO RECEIVE MEDICAID BENEFITS. LET ME PUT IT IN MORE STARK TERMS. CHANGING THE INCOME FORMULA COULD RESULT IN INDIVIDUALS WHOSE INCOMES ARE UP TO 400% OF THE POVERTY LEVEL RECEIVING MEDICAID. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. I VERY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS OUR DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THE VERY SCARCE MEDICAID RESOURCES ARE THERE FOR THOSE IN MOST NEED. AGAIN, LET ME STATE THAT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT INCOME FORMULA FOR MEDICAID, CHIP AND EXCHANGE SUBSIDIES DEVIATED FROM THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR
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OTHER FEDERAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. SUPPLEMENTAL SOCIAL SECURITY INCOME, SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION PROGRAMS KNOWN AS FOOD STAMPS, TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY
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FAMILIES, AND PUBLIC HOUSING ALL INCLUDE THE ENTIRE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT AS INCOME. MY LEGISLATION, NOW A PART OF THIS PACKAGE, ADDS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS BACK INTO THE EQUATION. REALIGNING MEDICAID WITH THE OTHER PROGRAMS AND STOPPING THESE IMPROPER PAYMENTS BEFORE THEY OCCUR. CLOSING THE LOOPHOLE IN MEDICAID WILL SAVE $13 BILLION OVER 10 YEARS ACCORDING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. AND BY ADDING MY LEGISLATION TO THIS PACKAGE THAT INCLUDES THE 3% WITHHOLDING REPEAL AND THE VETERANS TAX DEDUCTIONS, THIS PACKAGE WILL SAVE VITAL TAX DOLLARS. MADAM SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO PRAISE OTHER SECTIONS OF THIS BILL AND ON THE HEELS OF VETERANS DAY I CANNOT THINK OF A BETTER TIME FOR CONGRESS TO STEP FORWARD AND HELP OUR VETERANS GET TO WORK. AS A WIFE, MOTHER AND DAUGHTER, I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE SUPPORT THOSE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WHO FOUGHT FOR OUR COUNTRY. I YIELD AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE. THE GENTLELADY IS RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU. I HOPE THAT THIS BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL VETERANS LEGISLATION IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF MORE VETERANS BILLS GETTING PASSED BY CONGRESS. VETERANS WHO RETURN HOME TO US AND SEEK WORK SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND IT. WITH OUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY SLUGGISH AT BEST, MY COLLEAGUE, MR. HERGER, 3% WITHHOLDING REPEAL WILL GO A LONG WAY TO CREATE MORE CERTAINTY FOR SMALL BUSINESS, TAXES — PAXING BUSINESS AT 3% — TAXING BUSINESS AT 3% IS SOMETHING WE CANNOT AFFORD. I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS PACKAGE BEING SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE PRESIDENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THESE COMMONSENSE, BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS TO GO INTO EFFECT. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER, AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. IT’S NOW MY REAL PLEASURE TO YIELD TWO MINUTES TO A GENTLEMAN WHO HAS WORKED SO HARD ON VETERANS ISSUES, THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, MR. FILNER. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. LEVIN, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THANK YOU, MR. LERGER, FOR BRINGING US THIS BILL — HERGER, FOR BRINGING THUS BILL. I RISE IN SUPPORT OF H.R. 674. YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY I GET PHONE CAUSE AND LETTERS FROM VETERANS — CALLS FROM VETERANS TELLING ME HOW VALUABLE THEIR SERVICE WAS. THEY ARE CONFUSED AS TO WHY POTENTIAL EMPLOYERS DON’T VALUE THEIR TIME AND SERVICE AND WHY THEY GET REJECTION LETTERS FOR JOBS THEY ARE QUALIFIED TO PERFORM. THESE VETERANS ARE HIGHLY SKILLED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE READY TO MAKE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT TO ANY JOB. VETERANS BRING REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE TO ANY COMPANY AND UNFORTUNATELY EMPLOYERS FAIL TO SEE THIS VALUE. ON AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, THE PRESIDENT PROPOSED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DECREASE THE VETERAN UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. PART OF HIS PLAN INCLUDES A TAX CREDIT FROM EMPLOYERS AND I’M HAPPY TO SEE THAT SENATOR MURRAY INCLUDED THIS IN H.R. 674. IT WOULD PROVIDE A TAX CREDIT FOR FIRMS THAT HIRE CERTAIN UNEMPLOYED VETERANS AND THESE TAX CREDITS ARE A WIN FOR THE VETERANS AND A WIN FOR THE COMPANIES. THE CREDITS WILL INCENTIVIZE STRUGGLING BUSINESSES THAT NEED TO INCREASE THEIR WORK FORCE TO HIRE VETERANS WHILE GETTING A TAX DEDUCTION. THE BILL ALSO PROVIDES VETERANS WITH TRAINING, MENTORING AND PLACEMENT SERVICES AND ALLOWS FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF HONORABLY
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DISCHARGED VETERANS TO CIVIL SERVICE. I’M HAPPY TO SEE H.R. 674 MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT WILL PROVIDE INDIVIDUALIZED ASSESSMENTS FOR SERVICE MEMBERS IN THE TRANSITIONAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. INCREASE ACCESS TO APRESENT — APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS, PROVIDE AUTHORITY TO THE V.A. TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO SERVICE MEMBERS WITH SEVERE INJURIES AND MANY OTHER
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POSITIVE PROGRAMS THAT WILL HELP VETERANS. THE PRESIDENT’S MESSAGE WAS CLEAR, WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR SERVICE MEMBERS AN VETERANS BY ENACTING LEGISLATION THAT WILL HELP VETERANS GET JOBS. I HOPE THAT ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN ME IN SUPPORTING H.R.
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674 AND I WOULD YIELD BACK, MADAM SPEAKER. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD FIVE MINUTES TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, THERE CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERANS AFFAIRS COMMITTEE — OF THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. I DO STAND TODAY IN STRONGEST POSSIBLE SUPPORT OF THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 674 WHICH INCLUDES THE PROVISION OF THE BIPARTISAN AND BICAMERAL VOW TO
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HIRE HEROES ACT, 2011. THIS BILL CONTAINS MANY PROVISIONS OF H.R. 2433, THE VETERANS OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ACT, OR THE V.O.W. ACT, WHICH WAS INTRODUCED IN JULY AND PASSED THE HOUSE BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY JUST LAST MONTH. THE V.O.W. ACT HONORS THE 1%, THE 1% OF AMERICANS WHO AS VETERANS HAVE SIGNED A BLANK CHECK IN THE AMOUNT OF UP TO AND INCLUDING THEIR LIVES AND PAYABLE TO THE OTHER 99% OF AMERICANS. IN RETURN FOR THAT INVESTMENT, TOO MANY OF THEM, VETERANS OF EVERY WORKING AGE, GENERATION, ARE FINDING THEMSELVES UNEMPLOYED OR SERIOUSLY UNDEREMPLOYED DUE TO THE CURRENT ECONOMIC DOWNTURN. UNFORTUNATELY TODAY’S ECONOMY HAS ELIMINATED MILLIONS OF JOBS WHICH MANY WILL UNFORTUNATELY NEVER RETURN. REGARDLESS OF THE REASON, NEARLY ONE MILLION VETERANS NEED HELP IN ACQUIRING THE SKILLS NEEDED FOR TODAY’S JOB MARKET. THAT IS WHAT THE V.O. — VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT WILL DO. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF JOBS GOING UNFILLED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EMPLOYERS CAN’T FIND WORKERS WITH THE RIGHT SKILLS. I’M PROUD THAT A MAJOR PROVISION OF THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT WILL GIVE NEARLY 100,000 VETERANS A CHANCE TO GAIN THE NEW SKILLS THAT ARE IN DEMAND FOR TODAY’S JOBS. AND THESE JOBS ARE NOT JUST IN HIGH-TECH FIELDS. MANY ARE IN THE TRADES, MANY ARE IN FIELDS THAT CANNOT BE MOVED OVERSEAS LIKE TRANSPORTATION. BILL HELPS PROVIDE THE TRAINING NEEDED TO COMPLETE AND COMPETE FOR THESE TYPES OF JOBS WITHOUT ADDING NEW PROGRAMS. IN FACT, THE TOO TWO MAJOR PROVISIONS OF THIS BILL ESSENTIALLY RECYCLE TWO EXISTING WELL-REGARDED EDUCATION AND TRAINING PROGRAMS, THE MONTGOMERY G.I. BILL, AND THE LOCATION AND REHABILITATION AND EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM. THAT WILL MAKE USE OF EXISTING STAFF AND CURRENT REGULATIONS. AS I SAID, THIS ACT TAKES A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. FOR THOSE JUST LEAVING THE
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IMPROVE THE TRANSITION SERVICE THIS BILL WOULD VASTLY ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OR T.A.P. AS IT’S KNOWN, BY ADDING PERSONAL SKILLS, ASSESSMENT AND IMPROVED
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OCCUPATIONS. SKILLS CROSSWALKS INTO CIVILIAN THE BILL WOULD ALSO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH THE STATES TO HELP STANDARDIZE OCCUPATIONAL LICENSING AND CREDENTIALING, A MAJOR BOTTLENECK THAT OFTEN WASTES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT ON OUR MILITARY TRAINING. FOR THE DISABLED VETERANS WHO V.A.’S REHAB AND EMPLOYMENT PROGRAM AND WHO HAVE EXHAUSTED THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, THE BILL WOULD OFFER UP TO AN ADDITIONAL YEAR OF VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION. MADAM SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIR OF THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON VETERANS AFFAIRS, SENATOR PATTY MURRAY, FOR HER INSIGHT IN INCLUDING THE VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION BENEFITS AS PART OF THE COMPROMISE BILL. I HAVE TWO FINAL POINTS. THE FIRST IS THIS BILL IS PAID FOR, BOTH MANDATORY AND DISCRETIONARY. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE VETERANS SERVICES ORGANIZATIONS IN ORDER TO FIND THE PAY-FOR PROVISIONS AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE URGENTSY TO HELP VETERANS BECOME EMPLOYED AND I THANK THEM FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS LEGISLATION. AND SECONDLY, MADAM SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO THANK CHAIRMAN CAMP. I KNOW HIS PLATE IS FULL RIGHT NOW AND I THANK HIM MOST SINCERELY FOR HELPING BRING THIS TO THE FLOOR. AND WITH THAT I YIELD BACK. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I NOW YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE VERY DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF OUR CO-SPONSOR OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WE NOW ADD TO THE ORIGINAL BILL, MR. BLUMENAUER. THE GENTLEMAN FROM OREGON IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. THANK YOU, MR. LEVIN. IT’S A PLEASURE TO BE ON THE FLOOR WITH MY PARTNER ON THIS LEGISLATION, MR. HERGER, BEING ABLE TO SEE IT FINALLY BROUGHT TO FRUITION AND ACTUALLY MADE A LITTLE BETTER, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THESE IMPORTANT PROVISIONS FOR OUR VETERANS. I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE WILL ACT
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UNANIMOUSLY. WITH DISPATCH AND APPROVAL IT BUT I HOPE WE CAN ALSO FOCUS ON WHAT THIS CHAPTER REPRESENTS. IT WAS SOMETHING IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH MR. HERGER, MOVING THIS THROUGH CONGRESS, THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE ARE THREE ELEMENTS THAT WE OUGHT TO FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THAT SAME SPIRIT THAT HAS RESULTED IN BEING ABLE TO FIX AND IMPROVE THIS LEGISLATION OUGHT TO BE FOCUSED ON HOW WE REBUILD AND RENEW AMERICA. BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT THAT ARE GOING TO BE POUNDED WITH THIS 3% WITHHOLDING ARE STRUGGLING TO DEAL WITH CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF VETERANS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AT WORK, REBUILDING AND RENEWING AMERICA. WE ARE IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION IN TERMS OF OUR COMPETITIVENESS INTERNATIONALLY, WITH PROBLEMS OF CONGESTION, POLLUTION. I AM HOPEFUL THAT THIS SAME SPIRIT FOCUSED HERE CAN BE FOCUSED ON THIS MAJOR EFFORT TO REBUILD AND RENEW AMERICA, THAT CAN HELP REVITALIZE THE ECONOMY
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COMMUNITIES. WHILE IT IMPROVES OUR SECOND, WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT FLAWS IN HOW WE SCORE LEGISLATION. THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AND PART OF THE CHALLENGE WAS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF OFFSET BECAUSE IT WAS
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GOING TO, QUOTE, COST GOVERNMENT MONEY. AS A PRACTICAL MATTER THAT IS NOT THE CASE. BECAUSE THE C.B.O. RULES NEVER TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW MUCH IT COST TO IMPLEMENT IT. AND AS A RESULT OF THE HEARINGS WITH MR. HERGER, WITH SMALL BUSINESS, WITH THE WHOLE RANGE, I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THAT IT WOULD HAVE COST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FAR MORE TO IMPLEMENT IT THAN IT EVER WOULD HAVE COLLECTED. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD WE DON’T HAVE THESE ABERRATIONS THAT COST — I YIELD THE GENTLEMAN AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THAT CAUSE US TO GO THROUGH THESE GYRATIONS FOR SOMETHING THAT ON ITS FACE REALLY IS NOT GOING TO YIELD THE ECONOMIC RESULTS. AND, FINALLY, I HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER IN THIS SAME SORT OF SPIRIT, EVIDENCED WORKING WITH MR. HERGER, CHAIRMAN CAMP, RANKING MEMBER LEVIN, TO DEAL WITH THE BROADER PICTURE OF HOW WE’RE GOING TO DEAL WITH LONG-TERM PROBLEMS OF OUR BUDGET DEFICIT AND OUR FLAWED REVENUE SYSTEM. WE CAN REFORM AND BALANCE OUR SYSTEM, GIVE A BALANCED PROGRAM TO DEAL WITH BOTH, THAT REFORMS AND RAISES REVENUES, THAT CHANGES HOW WE DO BUSINESS. I AM CONVINCED THAT THIS IS WITHIN THE CAPACITY OF THOSE OF US IN CONGRESS AND TODAY’S POSITIVE VOTE ON THIS LEGISLATION IS A LITTLE INDICATION OF HOW IT CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU AND I YIELD BACK. THE
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GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD ONE BHIN TO — MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM INDIANA, MR. STUTZMAN, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERAN AFFAIRS SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE
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GENTLEMAN FROM INDIANA IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR YIELDING. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. JOBS FOR AMERICA’S VETERANS HAS BECOME A POPULAR TOPIC OVER THE PAST FEW WEEKS. THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT IS A VITAL FIRST STEP IN MEETING OUR RESPONSIBILITIES TO THAT 1% OF AMERICANS MENTIONED BY V.A. COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN MILLER IN HIS REMARKS. FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR CIVILIAN WORKING LIFE, GAINING NEW SKILLS IS OFTEN PROBLEMATIC DUE TO A LACK OF
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RESOURCES TO FUND EDUCATION AND TRAINING. WHILE RECENTLY DISCHARGED VETERANS HAVE THE POST-9/11 G.I. BILL’S GENEROUS RESOURCES TO ACQUIRE THE SKILLS NOW IN DEMAND, THEREFORE I BELIEVE THE MOST IMPORTANT PROVISION IN THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT OFFERS 99,000 UNEMPLOYED VETERANS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 35 AND 60 THE RESOURCES TO ACQUIRE THOSE NEW SKILLS. FINALLY, MADAM SPEAKER, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO INSERT THE JOINT EXPLANATORY STATEMENT FOR THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT OF 2011 INTO THE RECORD.
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, THE VETERANS PROVISIONS IN THIS BILL ARE WORTHY OF YOUR SUPPORT AND I URGE YOU TO JOIN ME IN VOTING YES ON THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT AND I YIELD BACK. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I NOW YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA, MR. ALTMIRE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. MADAM SPEAKER, I SPOKE IN FAVOR OF REPEALING THE 3% WITHHOLDING PROVISION WHEN IT
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MONTH. PASSED THE HOUSE JUST LAST AND I’M PLEASED THE SENATE HAS NOT ONLY PASSED IT BUT ADDED IMPORTANT PROVISIONS TO HELP OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM FIND WORK WHEN THEY RETURN HOME. THE AMENDED BILL PROVIDES RETRAINING ASSISTANCE TO UNEMPLOYED VETERANS AS WELL AS TAX CREDITS TO BUSINESSES THAT HIRE UNEMPLOYED VETERANS, A SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION THAT HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY HARD HIT BY OUR SLUGGISH ECONOMY. AN ESTIMATED 12% OF VETERANS WHO HAVE SERVED SINCE THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11 ARE UNEMPLOYED. THIS IS FAR ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE AND NOT WHAT OUR
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. NATION’S HEROES DESERVE. OUR SERVICE MEMBERS HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR COUNTRY AND THIS LEGISLATION IS ONE WAY TO HELP THEM SUCCEED HERE AT HOME. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION AND URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE IN FAVOR AND
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TIME. YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY THE
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GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, MR. MULVANEY, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SMALL BUSINESS SUBCOMMITTEE ON CONTRACTING AND WORK FORCE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. MADAM SPEAKER, THANK YOU. LAST WEEK I CAME TO THIS FLOOR AND STOOD IN THE WELL AND CALLED UPON THE SENATE TO DO SOMETHING WHICH WAS TO TAKE UP THIS BILL. THIS BILL THAT HAD PASSED OUT OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WITH TREMENDOUS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, PASSED OFF OF THIS HOUSE WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. SOMETHING THAT WENT PRACTICALLY UNNOTICED NATIONWIDE, ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDIA. I ASKED THE SENATE TO TAKE THIS BILL UP BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT THE HOUSE SUPPORTED ON IN A BIPARTISAN BASIS BUT SOMETHING THAT WAS PART OF THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS BILL AS WELL. SO IN THE NAME OF DOING THE RIGHT THING, I THOUGHT I’D COME TODAY AND THANK THE SENATE FOR DOING THAT. AND WHILE THEY’RE AT IT, BECAUSE THEY MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE UP THE OTHER JOB BILLS THAT WE HAVE SENT THEM OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THEY HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING HERE. THEY HAVE TAKEN A BILL THAT
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WILL HELP PEOPLE GO BACK TO WORK. AND WE’RE SEEING WHAT’S HAPPENING HERE TODAY AS PEOPLE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GIVE FOLKS EXACTLY THAT OPPORTUNITY. THAT SAME POSSIBILITY EXISTS
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ANOTHER 19 TIMES OVER IN THE SENATE. THE SENATE HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING WITH THIS BILL. THEY HAVE PASSED. THEY SENT IT BACK TO US. IT’S GOING TO BECOME LAW NOW. I ASK THE SENATE TO TAKE UP AT LEAST — TAKE UP THE 19 BILLS WE HAVE SENT THEM OVER AND SO WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS AGAIN BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
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I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN.
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I YIELD MYSELF 15 SECONDS. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE 19 BILLS WEREN’T REAL JOBS BILLS. AND SO NOW WHAT THE SENATE HAS SENT US BACK IS AN ADDITION THAT IS A REAL JOBS BILL, THOUGH NOT COMPREHENSIVE. I NOW YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE
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GENTLELADY FROM NEW YORK, MRS. MALONEY. THE GENTLELADY FROM NEW YORK IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS LEADERSHIP, NOT ONLY ON THE COMMITTEE BUT IN SO MANY WAYS IN THIS
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CONGRESS AND FOR YIELDING ME TIME. MADAM SPEAKER, I RISE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 674 AND THE PRESIDENT’S VETERANS JOBS BILL. THE 3% WITHHOLDING REPEAL IS VERY IMPORTANT ON ITS OWN. THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT BILL THAT WOULD HELP SMALL BUSINESS CONTRACTORS THAT WOULD HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT CASH FLOW PROBLEMS FOR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS HAD THE WITHHOLDING TAX GONE INTO EFFECT. IT ALSO PROVIDES IMPORTANT TAX CREDITS TO ENCOURAGE MORE EMPLOYERS TO HIRE OUR VETERANS WHO ARE OUT OF WORK. WELL OVER 12% OF OUR RETURNING VETERANS ARE OUT OF WORK. THIS BILL PROVIDES ADDITIONAL EDUCATION AND JOB TRAINING FOR VETERANS TO GAIN ADDITIONAL SKILLS, TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND
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INCREASINGLY COMPETITIVE JOB MARKET. AND IT TAKES IMPORTANT STEPS TO HELP EASE THE TRANSITION BETWEEN MILITARY SERVICE AND THE CIVILIAN WORK FORCE. I AM PLEASED THAT WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER TO REPEAL THIS AND HELP OUR VETERANS IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY
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DURING THESE TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES. I AM PLEASED THAT THIS PORTION OF THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS BILL IS BEING ENACTED TODAY. I THANK ALL THAT ARE SUPPORTING IT AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLELADY YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I MIGHT REQUEST THAT WE DON’T
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HAVE — I WOULD BE THE CLOSING SPEAKER.
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WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. OK. I YIELD — I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE
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GENTLEMAN RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I NOW WITH PLEASURE YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE
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BISHOP. GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. I THANK THE
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DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. MADAM SPEAKER, I REQUEST PERMISSION TO REVISE AND EXTEND MY REMARKS. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. MADAM SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO THANK THE DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE FOR THEIR TIMELY CONSIDERATION OF
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2011. THE VOW TO HIRE HEROES ACT OF THE HIRING ACT, I’D LIKE TO THANK THE SENATE AND HOUSE VETERANS’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’S VETERANS WITH THE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES THEY NEED AND THEY SO RIGHTLY DESERVE. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER.
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I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. CONTINUES TO RESERVE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I YIELD MYSELF THE BALANCE OF THE TIME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. IT CAN BE STATED VERY BRIEFLY, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR VETERANS IS BEYOND ACCEPTANCE AND THESE BILLS HOPEFULLY WILL HELP. WE NEED TO PASS MORE COMPREHENSIVE LEGISLATION SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE AT A JOB. AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNEMPLOYED, LOOKING FOR WORK, WE NEED TO ACT SO THAT BY NEXT FEBRUARY TWO MILLION PEOPLE WILL NOT BE LEFT WITHOUT UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. BUT, AGAIN, THESE PROVISIONS WERE ADDED BY THE SENATE THAT WERE PART OF THE PRESIDENT’S BILL, WILL HELP TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE, UNSATISFACTORY RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT RATE AND RERE-EMPLOYMENT RATE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY SO LOYALLY AND SO WELL. SO I SUPPORT THIS BILL AND URGE ITS PASSAGE. I YIELD BACK. THE
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BACK. GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN YIELDS THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. FIRST, I’D LIKE TO REQUEST UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ENTER TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT INTO THE RECORD, ONE FROM THE GOVERNMENT WITHHOLDING RELIEF COALITION, THE OTHER FROM THE U.S. CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. WITHOUT OBJECTION. MADAM SPEAKER, OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE JOB CREATION BY REPEALING A TAX THATESS LOOMING OVER SMALL BUSINESSES AND ALSO TO IMPROVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE RISKED THEIR LIFE AND LIMB TO SERVE OUR COUNTRY IN THE ARMED FORCES. I URGE A STRONG BIPARTISAN VOTE FOR THIS LEGISLATION, AND I
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TIME. YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND CONCUR IN THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 674, AND THOSE IN FAVOR WILL SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, 2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE
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AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE SENATE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO AND WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. MADAM SPEAKER, I REQUEST THE YEAS AND NAYS. THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE REQUESTED. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKING THIS VOTE BY THE WILL RISE AND REMAIN STANDING UNTIL COUNTED YEAS AND NAYS WILL RISE
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AND REMAIN STANDING UNTIL COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, THE YEAS AND NAYS ARE ORDERED.
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AND THE CHAIR’S PRIOR PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 8 OF RULE 20 ANNOUNCEMENT, FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THIS MOTION WILL POSTPONED. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS SEEK RECOGNITION?
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ALL MEMBERS MAY HAVE FIVE I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO REVISE AND EXTEND THEIR REMARKS AND INCLUDE EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL ON H.R. 8 2. WITHOUT OBJECTION. PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463 AND RULE 18, THE CHAIR DECLARES THE HOUSE IN THE
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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON THE STATE OF THE UNION FOR CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 822. THE CHAIR APPOINT THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MRS. MILLER, TO PRESIDE OVER THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THE HOUSE IS IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON THE STATE OF THE UNION FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 822 WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT BY TITLE. A BILL TO AMEND TITLE 18, UNITED STATES CODE, TO PROVIDE A NATIONAL STANDARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHICH NONRESIDENTS OF A STATE MAY
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CARRY CONCEALED FIREARMS IN THE STATE. PURSUANT TO THE RULE, THE BILL IS CONSIDERED AS READ THE FIRST TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, MR. SMITH, AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. CONYERS, EACH WILL CONTROL 30 MINUTES, AND THE CHAIR NOW RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MADAM CHAIR WOMAN, I YIELD MYSELF SUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT OF 2011, WAS INTRODUCED BY MR. STEARNS OF FLORIDA AND MR. SHULER OF NORTH CAROLINA AND IS CO-SPONSORED BY 235 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE. THIS LANDMARK LEGISLATION RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND MAKES IT EASIER FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS TO TRAVEL TO OTHER STATES. 49 STATES NOW ALLOW CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS AND 40 OF THESE STATES EXTEND SOME DEGREE OF RECIPROCITY TO PERMIT HOLDERS FROM OTHER STATES. THE STATES’ RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS NATIONWIDE. THIS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO CONCEAL FIREARMS TO RECOGNIZE OTHER STATES’ VALID CONCEALED PERMITS MUCH LIKE OTHER STATES RECOGNIZE DRIVERS’ LICENSES ISSUED BY OTHER STATES. IT DETERMINES ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR OWN RESIDENTS. STATE, LOCAL AND FEDERAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGARDING HOW, WHEN AND WHERE A CONCEALED FIREARM CAN BE CARRIED THAT APPLY TO A RESIDENT WILL APPLY EQUALLY TO A NONRESIDENT. FOR EXAMPLE, MANY STATES BAR INDIVIDUALS FROM CARRYING FIREARMS IN A BAR, AT A
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PARK. SPORTING EVENT OR IN A STATE UNDER THIS LEGISLATION, ALL OF THESE RESTRICTIONS WILL APPLY TO NONRESIDENTS AS WELL. H.R. 822 ALSO ADDRESSES CONCERNS REGARDING THE ABILITY OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO CONFIRM THE VALIDITY OF AN OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED-CARRY PERMIT. THE BILL REQUIRES A PERSON TO SHOW BOTH A VALID GOVERNMENTAL ISSUED IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENT SUCH AS A LICENSE OR PASSPORT AND A VALID CONCEALED-CARRY LICENSE OR PERMIT. STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES CAN VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF AN OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED PERMITS THROUGH THE SYSTEM. IT IS AVAILABLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS IN ALL 50 STATES, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. DATA FROM THE F.B.I.’S ANNUAL UNIFORM CRIME REPORT SHOWS THAT RIGHT-TO-CARRY STATES OR THOSE WHO WIDELY ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY HAVE 22% LOWER CRIME RATES, 30% LOWER MURDER RATES, 30% LOWER ROBBERY RATES AND 12% LOWER AGGRAVATED ASSAULT RATES AS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. OPPONENTS OF THIS BILL HAVE NOTED THAT SOME STATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RECOGNIZE CLEARY PERMITS FROM DIFFERENT STATES WITH DIFFERENT ELIGIBILITY. HOWEVER, 40 STATES ALREADY GRANT RECIPROCITY FROM OTHER STATES INCLUDING STATES WITH DIFFERENT ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. THE STATES WOULD NOT DO THIS IF DIFFERENT ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS WERE A CONCERN. THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS THAT SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRAINED BY STATE BOUNDARY LINES. OPPOSITION TO THIS LEGISLATION COMES FROM THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT CLEARY PERMIT HOLDERS OFTEN COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES WHICH IS DEMONSTRABLY FALSE OR THOSE WHO WANT TO RESTRICT THE LIGHT OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. THIS LEGISLATION ENHANCES THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND PROTECTS THE
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RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT. SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT H.R. 822 AND, MADAM CHAIR WOMAN, I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN
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RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MADAM SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF AS MUCH TIME AS I MAY CONSUME. THE GENTLEMAN’S RECOGNIZED. MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE, THE MEASURE THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY IS A VERY CURIOUS ONE IN THAT THERE IS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY LOADED, HIDDEN GUNS IN PUBLIC IS REALLY ALL ABOUT. AND I WOULD BEGIN OUR DISCUSSION TO POINT OUT THAT UNDER THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US, A CONCEALED FIREARM PERMIT ISSUED BY ANY STATE WOULD BE VALID IN EVERY ALLOWS A CONCEALED CARRY PROVISION. AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, A VISITOR TO MY HOME STATE OF MICHIGAN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A LOADED, HIDDEN WEAPON IN PUBLIC EVEN IF HE HAS NOT MET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS TO DO SO MANDATED BY OUR STATE LAW. DIFFERENT STATES HAVE ENACTED DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS WITHIN THEIR BORDERS. AND ALTHOUGH FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS INDIVIDUALS WITH FEDERAL CONVICTIONS FROM POSSESSING A WEAPON, 38 OF OUR STATES HAVE CHOSEN TO DENY CONCEALED CARRY LICENSES TO WITH CONVICTIONS FOR CERTAIN MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO START OUR DISCUSSION OFF WITH THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENT, SO MANY MEMBERS OF OUR EDITORIALS, PLEASE CONSIDER WITH ME, MY COLLEAGUES IN THE HOUSE, THAT EVERY MAJOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED AMERICA OPPOSES THE MEASURE THAT IS ON THE FLOOR TODAY, H.R. 822. EVERY SINGLE ORGANIZATION, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE MAJOR CITIES CHIEFS ASSOCIATION WHICH INCLUDES THE 56 LARGEST CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE POLICE FOUNDATION, THE NATIONAL LA TINOW PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLACK LAW ENFORCEMENT EXECUTIVES. WE HAVE LETTERS FROM 600 MAYORS OF THE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES. THE NATIONAL NETWORK TO END DOMESTIC VIOLENCE HAVE SENT US LETTERS, THE EDITORIALS IN “THE NEW YORK TIMES”, “THE WASHINGTON POST,” THE “ST. PETERSBURG TIMES” HAVE ALL SUBMITTED LETTERS AND SO I CONCLUSION MY OPENING REMARKS BY OBSERVING THAT THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY LOADED, HIDDEN GUNS IN PUBLIC. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO PERSUADE YOU ON IS THAT THE SUPREME COURT CASE ENTITLED DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA VS. HELLER IS THE CASE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COURT RULED AND JUSTICE SCALIA WROTE THIS DECISION, THAT WHILE THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE RIGHT OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO USE ARMS IN DEFENSE OF THEIR OKLAHOMA — DEFENSE OF THEIR HOME, BUT THAT IT BANS ON CARRYING IN PUBLIC WERE PRESUMPIVELY LAWFUL. IT WEPT ON TO SAY — IT WENT ON TO SAY THAT THE QUESTION HELD THAT PROHIBITIONS ON CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS WERE LAWFUL UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THAT LAWFUL AND JUSTICE SCALIA’S MAJORITY DECISION IN THAT LANDMARK CASE RENDERED THREE YEARS AGO STATED THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS NOT UNLIMITED AND NOT A RIGHT TO KEEP AND CARRY ANY WEAPON WHATSOEVER IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER OR FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE. I CITE THE SUPREME COURT DECISION 1282783 OF 2008, THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA VS. HELLER.
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AND I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, MR. CHABET, WHO IS A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR YIELDING. MR. SPEAKER, THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION STATES, AND I QUOTE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, UNQUOTE. IN THIS MODERN AGE, WHEN IT’S VERY COMMON FOR PEOPLE TO TRAVEL TO WORK OR FOR PLEASURE, IT’S REALLY BECOME ROUTINE. THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY ACT IS A COMMONSENSE SOLUTION TO ADAPT TO TODAY’S NEEDS. THIS LEGISLATION ANNOUNCED — AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE WITH VALID STATE-ISSUED STATE CONCEALED ARM PERMITS OR LICENSES TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM IN ANY OTHER STATE THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME LAWS. TO BE CLEAR, THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT CREATE A NATIONAL LICENSING SCHEME OR AGENCY, IT DOES NOT SUPERSEDE THE LAWS FOR FIREARMS USE IN ANY OTHER STATE. THE RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE IS A FUNDAMENTAL ONE AND HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED IN LAW FOR CENTURIES. THE SECOND AMENDMENT DICTATES THAT THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO IS TO TARGET
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CRIMINALS, NOT LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS. TODAY WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEARLY RECOGNIZE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS FOR OUR CITIZENS AND TO ALLOW LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO EXERCISE FREEDOM WITHOUT RESTRICTIVE BARRIERS.
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LET’S TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TODAY. I YIELD BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. THANK YOU, MADAM SPEAKER. I’M PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE THE FORMER CHAIR OF THE CONSTITUTION SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, JERRY NADLER OF NEW YORK, FOR AS MUCH TIME AS HE MAY CONSUME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MADAM SPEAKER, I’M SORRY. MADAM SPEAKER I RISE IN STRONG OPPOSITION TO H.R. 822. WHAT THE BRADY CAMPAIGN CORRECTLY CALLS THE PACKING HEAT ON YOUR STREET BILL.
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ECONOMIC STRAIGHTS. MR. SPEAKER, AMERICA’S IN DIRE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE OUT — STRAITS. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK, PEOPLE ARE CLAM BERING FOR CONGRESS TO PASS LEGISLATION TO
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GROW THE ECONOMY AND HELP CREATE JOBS. SO WHAT DOES THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DO? THIS AUGUST BODY IS CONSIDERING GUN LEGISLATION. THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE MAJORITY AND
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BELIEF. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS BEYOND IT’S NO WONDER THAT THE CONGRESS APPROVAL RATING IS 13%. NOT ONLY ARE WE WASTING OUR TIME ON THIS ISSUE, BUT WHAT THE BILL DOES SHOULD SCARE EVERY AMERICAN. THIS BILL AS AMENDED BY THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WOULD LET A PERSON WITH A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT ISSUED BY ONE STATE TAKE HIS OR HER WEAPON TO ANY OTHER STATE OF WHICH THEY ARE NOT A RESIDENT, REGARDLESS OF THE LAWS OF THAT OTHER STATE. STATE LAWS ON BOTH GUN POSSESSION AND CONCEALED CARRY WOULD BE OVERRIDDEN. THIS BILL TAKES AWAY THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS OF EACH STATE TO
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POLICY. SET THEIR OWN GUN CONTROL FOR REPUBLICAN HOUSE MAJORITY THAT SUPPOSEDLY BELIEVES IN STATES RIGHTS THIS BILL IS SHOCKING. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME STATES REQUIRE FIREARMS TRAINING, WILL REQUIRE THAT PEOPLE BE 21 YEARS OLD TO HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, ALSO TRULIES WOULD BE TOSSED ASIDE BY THIS NEW FEDERAL MANDATE. I TRIED TO PROTECT STATES BY FILING AN AMENDMENT WITH THE RULES COMMITTEE THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED AN EXCEPTION TO THE BILL, THAT LETS STATES ENFORCE LAWS AGAINST PERSONS CONVICTED OF SEX OFFENSES AGAINST MINORS FROM HAVING CONCEALED WEAPONS. THAT AMENDMENT WAS NOT MADE IN ORDER. I GUESS IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO SATISFY THE GUN LOBBY THAN IT IS TO MAKE SURE OUR KIDS ARE PROTECTED FROM VIOLENT PREDATORS. TO THE EXTENT STATES WANT TO ALLOW THEIR CITIZENS TO ENTER INTO OTHER STATES WITH CONCEALED WEAPONS, THEY CAN DO SO BY ENTERING INTO RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS AND MANY STATES HAVE DONE SO. BUT WHICH WOULD WES FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT? WHY WOULD WE FORCE THEM TO ACCEPT THE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT OF EVERY OTHER STATE? BECAUSE ANY PERMIT WOULD SUFFICE THIS BILL WOULD CREATE A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. WITH WHATEVER STATE IS THE MOST PERMISSIVE RULES SETTING POLICY. YOU WOULDN’T EVEN HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT IN SOME STATES. THIS LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR APPROACH WOULD ONLY LEAD TO MORE PEOPLE CARRYING HIDDEN WEAPONS PACKING HEAT ON YOUR STREET. KNOWING THERE ARE MORE CONCEALED HANDGUNS ALL AROUND DOES NOT MAKE ME FEEL SAFER. LASTLY THE I WANT TO ADDRESS THE CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT. IN HELLER THE SUPREME COURT HELD THERE’S A SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT FOR PERSONS TO BEAR ARMS. NOWHERE DID THE COURT SAY, HOWEVER, THAT THERE WAS AN UNLIMITED NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN. IN FACT, JUSTICE SCALIA RECOGNIZED THE LEGALITY OF
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AMENDMENT. REASONABLE LIMITS ON THE SECOND I CAN’T IMAGINE A MORE REASONABLE RESTRICTION FOR STATES TO IMPOSE THAN THOSE WHICH GOVERN WHO CAN CARRY A
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CONCEALED FIREARM IN THEIR OWN STATES. I ASK THAT MEMBERS REJECT THIS DEEPLY FLAWED AND DANGEROUS BILL AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, I NOW YIELD THREE MINUTES TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA, MR. FRANKS, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSTITUTION SUBCOMMITTEE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA IS RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. THE CHAIRMAN AND, MADAM CHAIR, H.R. 822 INITIALLY INTRODUCED BY MR. STEARNS OF FLORIDA AND MR. SHULER OF NORTH CAROLINA AND SUPPORTED BY MORE THAN HALF OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE WITH A VALID PERMIT OR LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN IN ANY OTHER STATE THAT PERMITS CONCEALED CARRY. THIS IS A POLICY AKIN TO ALLOWING LICENSED DRIVERS FROM ONE STATE TO DRIVE THEIR CAR IN ANOTHER STATE SO LONG AS THEY OBEY THE LOCAL LAWS. MADAM CHAIR, CLEARLY THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DEFEND ONESELF FROM ONE’S FAMILY SHOULDN’T BE LIMITED TO WHEN YOU ARE AT HOME.
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CRIMINAL HAVE ALWAYS PREFERRED UNARMED VICTIMS. CONVERSELY, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS CAMEBLE OF DEFENDING THEMSELVES AND THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS SAFE INNOCENT LIVES. TO GIVE ONE OF COUNTLESS EXAMPLES, IN 2007, A MAN IN COLORADO WROTE ONLINE, QUOTE, ALL I WANT TO DO IS KILL AND INJURY AS MANY CHRISTIANS AS I CAN, CLOSED QUOTE. HE THEN WENT ON A SHOOTING RAMPAGE, FIRST KILLING TWO YOUNG STUDENTS AT A MISSIONARY TRAINING CENTER OUTSIDE DENVER AND THEN AT A GATHERING OF OVER 7,000 PEOPLE IN AND AROUND A CHURCH, WITH A RIFLE AND A BACKPACK FULL OF AMMUNITION, MURRAY ENTERED THE CHURCH AND OPENED FIRE, KILLING TWO SISTERS. MURRAY WAS ULTIMATELY STOPPED AND KILLED BY A CHURCH MEMBER AND A VOLUNTARY SECURITY GUARD WHO ONCE WORKED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WHO HAD A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. APART FROM THIS ARMED HERO’S ACTIONS, MADAM SPEAKER, MANY MORE INNOCENT CITIZENS WOULD HAVE DIED THAT DAY. H.R. 822 INCLUDES A NUMBER OF PROVISIONS INTENDED TO RETAIN THE STATES’ ABILITY TO REGULATE FIREARMS USE IN THEIR OWN STATES AND INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY. NOTHING IN THE BILL EFFECTS A STATE’S ABILITY TO SET THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS, NOR DOES IT EFFECT ANY STATE LAWS OR REGULATIONS REGARDING HOW, WHEN OR WHETHER WHERE CONCEALED FIREARMS CAN BE CARRIED. IT ALSO REQUIRES PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FEDERAL GRANT OF RECIPROCITY TO BE PROPERLY PERMITTED OR LICENSED BY A STATE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. AND TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE BOTH THE PERMIT OR LICENSE AT A
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DOCUMENT. GOVERNMENT-ISSUED IDENTIFICATION TO REITERATE CHAIRMAN SMITH’S COMMENTS, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT CONCEALED CARRY LAWS ARE VERY GOOD PUBLIC POLICY FOR OUR COUNTRY, MADAM CHAIR. THE N.R.A. HAS ESTIMATED BASED ON F.B.I. CRIME REPORT DATA THAT RIGHT-TO-CARRY LAWS WHICH WIDELY ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY HAVE 22% LOWER VIOLENT CRIME RATES, 30% LOWER MURDER RATES AND 46% LOWER ROBBERY RATES THAN STATES THAT PROHIBIT OR GREATLY RESTRICT CONCEALED CARRY.
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H.R. 822 WILL HELP FURTHER THIS TREND. I ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO HELP SUPPORT THIS BILL AND YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. 2K — I YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUE FOR ONE MINUTE.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR ALL THE TALK OF STATES’ RIGHTS, H.R. 822 OBLITERATES THE STATES TO PASS THEIR OWN GUN RULES AND PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE REQUIRE THOSE WHO SEEK SUCH CONCEALED PERMITS TO PROVE BASIC COMPETENCY, TO PROTECT THOSE WHO WERE CONVICTED OF A FELONY. H.R. 822 DENIES FLORIDIANS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR OWN FAMILIES AND SET THEIR OWN STANDARDS. IF FLORIDA WOULD WANT LAWS AS LAXED AS THOSE IN UTAH, THEY WOULD ADOPT THEIR OWN. I THINK THAT THEY HAVE YOU HAD HAVE A DABE. — DATABASE. WITH A DATABASE OPENED 24 HOURS A DAY WITH PEOPLE HOLDING CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS, FLORIDA WOULD BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS. I YIELD THREE MINUTES TO MR. STEARNS WHO IS THE WRITER, AUTHOR, CREATOR OF THIS LEGISLATION. MAKE THAT FIVE MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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FLORIDA IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. I’D SAY TO MY COLLEAGUE I’M FROM FLORIDA. AND SO I’M SUPPORTING THIS BILL. IN FACT, I’M THE PROUD SPONSOR
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GENTLEMEN. OF THIS BILL, LADIES AND I HAVE SPONSORED THIS
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CONGRESS. LEGISLATION SINCE THE 105TH THAT WAS ALMOST 14 YEARS AGO. BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT’S LONG OVERDUE THAT WE TAKE ACTION TO ENHANCE THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT SELF-DEFENSE FOR ALL
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COUNTRY. LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS OF THIS I WANT TO THANK MR. TRENT FRANKS OF ARIZONA WHO FOR HIS HARD WORK IN PUSHING THIS THROUGH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND FULL COMMITTEE AND CHAIRMAN
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LAMAR SMITH FOR HIS LEADERSHIP TOO. MY COLLEAGUES, THE SIMPLE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOUR LOVED ONES FROM CRIMINALS IS FUNDAMENTAL. AND IT’S NOT EXTINGUISHED WHEN
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BORDER. YOU SIMPLY CROSS A STATE THIS BILL RECOGNIZES THIS IMPORTANT FACT BY ESTABLISHING THE INTERSTATE RECOGNITION OF CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS IN MUCH THE SAME WAY DRIVERS’ LICENSE ARE RECOGNIZED. NOW, UNDER THIS LEGISLATION, LAWFULLY ISSUED PERMITS WILL BE RECOGNIZED IN ALL STATES THAT ALSO ISSUE CARRY PERMITS. THERE ARE NOW 49 STATES THAT ISSUE THESE PERMITS. MOST OF THESE STATES ALSO RECOGNIZE PERMITS ISSUED FROM AT LEAST SOME OTHER STATES. SOME STATES RECOGNIZE ALL
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STATE. VALID PERMITS ISSUED BY ANY
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BUT HEREIN SIMPLY LIES THE PROBLEM. THE NONUNIFORMITY OF THE LAWS REGARDING RECIPROCITY MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR LAW-ABIDING PERMIT HOLDERS TO KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY ARE OBEYING THE LAW AS THEY TRAVEL FROM STATE TO STATE. WHILE PRESERVING THE POWER OF THE STATES TO SET THE RULES ON WHERE CONCEALED FIREARMS CAN BE CARRIED, THIS BILL WILL ESTABLISH RECOGNITION IN THE 49 PERMIT-ISSUING STATES. SO THIS LEGISLATION WILL SIMPLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR LAW-ABIDING PERMIT HOLDERS TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE SIMPLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW WHEN THEY CARRY A FIREARM AS THEY TRAVEL THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY. DRIVERS WOULD HAVE TO STOP AT STATE LINE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEIR LICENSE WAS VALID BEFORE PROCEEDING. EACH STATE WOULD RECOGNIZE SOME
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LICENSES BUT OF COURSE NOT ALL OF THEM. SOME STATES WOULD INSIST THAT OTHERS HAD PRECISELY THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR ISSUES OF A
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LICENSE BEFORE OPERATING RECIPROCITY. AND THE STATUS OF SUCH RECIPROCITY WOULD BE CONSTANTLY CHANGING LITERALLY DAY-TO-DAY. SO THAT IS THE REALITY OF THE CURRENT RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS ANDING ON THE CONGRESS CAN REMEDY THIS — AND ONLY THE CONGRESS CAN REMEDY THIS INTERSTATE MUDDLE. WE ARE PROUD TO BE CITIZENS OF A NATION WHO NEED NOT PRESENT
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BOUNDARIES. PAPERS TO CROSS INTERNAL BUT THE HOLDERS OF CARRY PERMITS MUST INDEED TODAY WORRY WHETHER THEIR PERMITS ARE VALID BEFORE THEY CAN SAFELY VENTURE OUT OF THEIR HOME STATE WHILE EXERCISING A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT. OUR SYSTEM OF FEDERALISM BODY TO REMEDY THIS DISPARITY AND DUE PROCESS
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AN EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE LAW. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, OVER THE PAST 27 YEARS, 17 STATES HAVE PASSED RIGHT-TO-CARRY LAWS AND EACH OF THESE STATES OPPONENTS OF FIREARM OWNERSHIP HAVE MADE DIRE PROTECTIONS OF MAYHEM IN THE STREETS IF WE SIMPLY DARE TO ALLOW LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO CARRY A FIREARM FOR THEIR OWN SELF-DEFENSE. BUT IN EACH CASE THESE PREDICTIONS WERE PROVEN TO BE COMPLETELY FALSE. IN FACT, DURING THAT PERIOD VIOLENT CRIME HAS DROPPED 51% TO A 46-YEAR LOW. 1991 TO 2011, AND THESE ARE ACCORDING TO THE F.B.I. UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS. STATISTICS DON’T LIE IN THIS CASE. THEY’RE ACTUALLY SHOWING VIOLENT CRIME HAS DROPPED, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS LEGISLATION WILL NOT STRIP STATES OF THE ABILITY TO PROHIBIT DANGEROUS
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A FIREARM. FEDERAL LAW ALREADY PROHIBITS A CONVICTED FELON OR SOMEONE SHOWN TO BE A DANGER FROM THE MERE POSSESSION OF A GUN AND THE CARRY REGULATIONS SET UP IN EACH STATE WILL APPLY TO ALL PERMITHOLDERS, BOTH RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS. THIS BILL DOES NOT SET UP A FEDERAL CARRY PERMIT SYSTEM OR ESTABLISH ANY FEDERAL REGULATIONS OF CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS. THAT POWER REMAINS WITH THE STATES. ADDITIONALLY, THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NEW FEDERAL GUN LAWS NOR DOES IT CALL FOR ADDITIONAL FEDERAL REGULATION OF GUN OWNERSHIP. IN FACT, IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR NEW FEDERAL REGULATION FOR IT AMENDS THE PART OF THE GUN CONTROL ACT THAT ALLOWS ONLY SUCH REGULATION AS ARE NECESSARY. ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I’D TO YIELD THE GENTLEMAN AN ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. IT AMENDS THE PART OF THE GUN CONTROL ACT THAT ALLOWS ONLY SUCH REGULATION AS ARE NECESSARY, AND IN THIS CASE NONE, MY COLLEAGUES. THIS LEGISLATION SIMPLY GUARANTEES CITIZENS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AS A FIRM BY TWO SUPREME COURT CASES, D.C. VS. HELLER AND MCDONALD VS. CHICAGO WHICH SIMPLY RULED THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. THIS BILL WILL ALLOW LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WHO ALREADY HAVE VALID CARRY PERMITS TO CARRY FIREARMS WHEN THEY TRAVEL TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILIES. THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES TO BE AMONG THE MOST RESPONSIBLE AND SAFE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND WE SHOULD NOT DEPRIVE THEM OF THIS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT WHEN THEY SIMPLY CROSS A STATE BORDER. SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION. IT’S A LONG TIME IN COMING. I’M PLEASED IT’S ON THE FLOOR AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ITS PASSAGE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN.
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I YIELD MYSELF 30 SECONDS.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. I JUST WANT TO SAY TO MY FRIEND FROM FLORIDA, CLIFF STEARNS, YOU CAN’T COMPARE LICENSING, CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS TO DRIVERS’ LICENSES, AND THAT’S WHY THIS IDEA OF YOURS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HAS NEVER BEEN PASSED BY THE CONGRESS BEFORE. THE REASON IS THAT NO STATE HAVE THE SAME WAY TO AUTOMATICALLY CHECK A DRIVERS’ LICENSE FOR CONCEALED-CARRY. I YIELD MYSELF 15 ADDITIONAL SECONDS. YOU CANNOT COMPARE CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS CHECK WITH A DRIVER’S LICENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE CHECKABLE. A CONCEALED-CARRY WEAPON, THERE ARE STATES THAT ODON’T EVEN PERMIT THE INFORMATION TO BE REVEALED FROM THEIR DATABASE. SO YOU’RE MAKING A HUGE ERROR THAT I HOPE CAN BE CORRECTED. AND WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, I’D YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED THE GENTLELADY FROM CALIFORNIA — TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLELADY FROM CALIFORNIA, A MEMBER OF
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MINUTE. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, ONE THE GENTLELADY IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THIS ISSUE COULD ENDANGER PEOPLE’S LIVES. IT HURTS MY HOME STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHICH DEVELOPS LAWS TO PROTECT CITIZENS BY DEVELOPING CRITERIA ON THOSE
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WEAPONS. WHO COULD CARRY CONCEALED-CARRY
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AWAY. WITH THIS BILL THAT ALL GOES THIS BILL IS SO BAD THAT IT EVEN ALLOWS DRUG DEALERS CONVICTED OF SELLING DRUGS TO MINORS TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. CALIFORNIA WOULD NOT ALLOW IT BECAUSE SUCH PERMITS CAN ONLY GO TO THOSE OF GOOD MORAL CHARACTER. BUT UNDER THIS LAW WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THE CONCEALED WEAPON PERMIT FOR EVERY OTHER STATE THAT ALLOWS WEAPONS TO THESE DRUG DEALERS. I OFFERED AN AMENDMENT IN JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TO STOP THIS, BUT THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE VOTED IT DOWN. WITH THIS BILL, A PERSON WHO ENDANGERS THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN WILL BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A CONCEALED LOADED GUN NATIONWIDE AND YOU WOULD BE POWERLESS TO STOP IT. IT IS THE INDIVIDUAL STATES THAT ARE IN THE BEST POSITION TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST PROTECT ITS CITIZENS. I STRONGLY URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO ON THIS DANGEROUS BILL. I’D LIKE TO YIELD 15 SECONDS TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARIZONA, MR. FRANKS. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 15 SECONDS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I’D SUGGEST TO MY FRIEND, MR. CONYERS, THAT HE’S CORRECT. ONE CANNOT COMPARE THIS WITH — STRICTLY WITH PEOPLE AND DRIVER’S LICENSES. IS DRIVER’S LICENSE — DRIVING A CAR IS NOT A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO DEFENSE AS ENSHRINED IN OUR CONSTITUTION. SECONDLY, CARS KILL MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN GUNS. AND THIRD, WE DON’T USUALLY DEFEND OURSELVES WITH CARS.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE
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AUSTRIA. GENTLEMAN FROM OHIO, MR. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS A FORMER CHAIRMAN IN THE OHIO SENATE — OF THE OHIO SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, I HELPED LEAD THE FIGHT TO PASS THE FIRST CONCEALED-CARRY LAW. EVEN WITH THIS LAW AND THIS RIGHT AND ONE OF THOUSANDS OF OHIOANS WITH A CONCEALED-CARRY PERMIT, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO REINFORCE OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS BY RESOLVING THE CONFUSION AND THE PROBLEMS
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BETWEEN STATES. THAT EXIST WHEN TRAVELING THE NATIONAL RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT DOES JUST THAT, IT ALLOWS OHIOANS AND THOSE WITH VALID C.C.W. PERMITS STATES TO
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GO TO 49 STATES WHERE IT IS NOT PROHIBITED. THIS BILL HAS CONSTITUENTS TO COMPLY WITH THEIR HOME STATE RULES. THE BILL SIMPLY STRENGTHENS AND PROTECTS OUR CONSTITUENTS’ SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND THAT’S WHY I’VE CO-SPONSORED THIS LEGISLATION AND LOOK FORWARD TO ITS PASSAGE. THANK YOU AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I YIELD MYSELF JUST 30 SECONDS, TO MR. SCOTT. WHEN WE DECIDE HOW WE’RE GOING TO CAST OUR VOTE ON THIS BILL TO REALIZE YOU CANNOT COMPARE A CONCEALED WEAPON CARRY PERMIT WITH A DRIVER’S LICENSE. DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTOMATED MACHINERY TO DO THAT. MANY WILL NOT EVEN RELEASE THIS INFORMATION. IT’S CONSIDERED A PRIVATE MATTER. CONCEALED-CARRY PERMIT INFORMATION CANNOT BE REVEALED IN MANY STATES, AND I NOW TURN TO THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME, THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BOBBY SCOTT OF VIRGINIA, FOR THREE MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THANK YOU — THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. MR. CHAIRMAN, H.R. 822 WILL HARM PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT’S WHY LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, MAJOR CITIES’ CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND MANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS OPPOSE THIS BILL. THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO THEIR CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT IN ANY STATE IN THE UNION WITHOUT REGARD TO THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE OTHER STATES. THIS BILL EVEN ALLOWS PEOPLE WHO ARE INELIGIBLE TO GET A CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT IN THEIR HOME STATE TO GO OUT OF STATE AND GET A PERMIT AND USE THAT PERMIT ANYWHERE IN THE
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COUNTRY EXCEPT THEIR HOME STATE. SOME SITS HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE ELIGIBLE TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME STATES REQUIRE FIREARMS TRAINING. OTHERS DENY PERMITS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER 21 OR THOSE WITH CERTAIN CONVICTIONS FOR ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS, SELLING DRUGS TO KIDS, SEX OFFENSES AGAINST CHILDREN, OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. STANDARDS SUCH AS THESE WOULD BE OVERRIDDEN BY THIS BILL BECAUSE PERMITS FROM STATES WITHOUT THESE STANDARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE RECOGNIZED. MANY STATES ALREADY RECOGNIZE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS FROM OTHER STATES. MY OWN STATE OF VIRGINIA STATES’ CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT, BUT IT REQUIRES A 24-HOUR VERIFICATION. FOR THIS REASON MANY STATES DO NOT ENJOY RECIPROCITY WITH VIRGINIA BECAUSE 24-HOUR VERIFICATION IS NOT AVAILABLE. IN FACT, ONE STATE, COLORADO, DIDN’T EVEN MAINTAIN A DATA BASE, A STATEWIDE DATA BASE, SO THERE COULD BE NO OUT-OF-STATE VERIFICATION. AS IT’S BEEN INDICATED A DRIVER’S LICENSE ANY TIME OF DAY YOU CAN VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF A DRIVER’S LICENSE. BUT THE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT MANY STATES DO NOT HAVE 24-HOUR VERIFICATION. AN OVERRIDING THE ABILITY OF STATES TO CONTROL THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED WEAPONS BY NONRESIDENTS, THIS BILL WOULD CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE WEAKEST STATE LAWS ESSENTIALLY BECOME THE NATIONAL LAW. WE’LL BE CREATING A RACE TO THE BOTTOM IN PUBLIC SAFETY. IN CONSIDERATION OF THIS LEGISLATION HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE BECAUSE APPARENTLY MANY PEOPLE IN THIS BODY BELIEVE THAT IF MORE PEOPLE CARRIED GUNS THE CRIME RATE WOULD GO DOWN. RELIABLE STUDIES, HOWEVER, POINT OUT THAT THE POSSESSION OF A FIREARM IS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO RESULT IN THE DEATH OF A FAMILY MEMBER OR NEIGHBOR THAN BEING USED TO THWART A CRIME.
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SAFETY. THIS BILL WILL UNDERMINE PUBLIC WE SHOULD LET THE STATES DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT OR UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEIR STATE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES, THEREFORE, TO VOTE AGAINST THIS LEGISLATION. I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM INDIANA.
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THE GENTLEMAN THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. RIGHTS DO NOT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT. WE ARE IN THE WORDS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. MR. STUTZMAN THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE GOES DEEP AND CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY. THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE IS A CORNERSTONE FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT. IT IS ALSO THE FOUNDATION FOR CONCEALED CARRY LAWS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. I’M PROUD THAT MY HOME STATE OF INDIANA HAS ESTABLISHED A RESPONSIBLE PROCESS FOR OBTAINING A LIFETIME PERMIT. TODAY, 49 STATES HAVE SOME SORT OF RIGHT TO CARRY LAW. MR. SPEAKER, THIS BILL ENSURES THAT PERMIT HOLDERS IN INDIANA LIKE MYSELF CAN EXERCISE OUR RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE WHEN OUR FAMILIES TRAVEL ACROSS OUR GREAT COUNTRY. IF YOU FOLLOW THE LAW, YOUR PERMIT FROM ONE STATE WILL BE HONORED BY ANOTHER. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF 15 SECONDS, PLEASE. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FORGIVE MY PASSION ON THE DISCUSSION OF THIS SUBJECT. BUT ALMOST 300 YOUNG PEOPLE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN DESCENT ARE GUNFIRE FROM AGES 15 TO 24 EVERY WEEK. WITH THAT I WOULD YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUE, MIKE QUIGLEY, DISTINGUISHED MEMBER OF
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JUDICIARY, FROM ILLINOIS, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
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I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS MEASURE. I, TOO, OFFERED AN AMENDMENT WHICH FAILED IN COMMITTEE. MY AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF ASSAULTING A POLICE OFFICER OR IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER FROM CARRYING CONCEALED LOADED GUNS. SEVERAL STATES THAT ALLOW PERMITS ALSO DENIED THEM TO THOSE WHO HAVE ASSAULTED OR IMPERSONATED COPS. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS OF THESE STATES HAVE DECIDED THAT THAT IS WHAT’S BEST FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES. THIS BILL WIPES THOSE PROTECTIONS AWAY AND WILL GO FURTHER. MAY I REMIND MY FRIENDS HERE WHO ARE CITING THE CONSTITUTION AS THEIR NEXUS FOR THIS LAW, THAT THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IN THE INTEREST OF SELF-DEFENSE OF A PERSON AT HOME IS NOT UNLIMITED. AS THE JUSTICES WROTE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA VS. HELLER, QUOTE, THE RIGHT IS NOT A RIGHT TO KEEP AND CARRY ANY WEAPON WHATSOEVER IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE, END QUOTE. FRANKLY THAT’S WHAT THE NATIONAL
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PURPORTS. RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT SO FOR INTERPRETING THE 14TH AMENDMENT, DEEMING THE BILL OF RIGHTS APPLICABLE TO THE STATES IN THIS MANNER AS TO THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, THEN DOESN’T THAT ARGUMENT ALSO DICTATE EACH STATE INTERPRET OTHER STATES’ DESESSIONS ON OTHER LAWS AND STATUTES IN THE SAME MANNER? DOES THIS MEAN THE STATES SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE APPORTION RIGHTS FROM ONE STATE TO THE NEXT? DOES THIS MEAN THAT STATES SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE ALCOHOL LAWS FROM ONE STATE TO THE NEXT? DOES THIS MEAN THAT STATES SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE MARRIAGE
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LICENSES FROM ONE STATE TO THE NEXT? PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGE? I HAVE A FEELING THAT MANY OF MY FRIENDS HERE TODAY WOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WITH A SIMPLE NO. YOU SEE MY TROUBLE WITH TODAY’S PREMISE THEN. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS BILL. I YIELD BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MRS. ELLMERS. THE GENTLEWOMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU. I RISE TODAY IN FAVOR OF H.R. 22, THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS A STABLE OF OUR CONSTITUTION AS A BASIC AMERICAN RIGHT. AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO PROTECT IT WHILE MAKING SURE OUR LAWS REMAIN EFFICIENT. I AM ONE OF 268,000 PERMIT HOLDERS IN NORTH CAROLINA. THIS IS NOT ONLY A RIGHT ISSUE, MORE IMPORTANTLY IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE. AS MILLIONS OF AMERICAN FAMILIES CAN ATTEST, THERE IS NO GREATER THREAT TO OUR FAMILIES THAN THE ABILITY TO PROTECT. WE MUST PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND IT CANNOT STOP AT STATES’ BORDERS. H.R. 822 ALSO DOES NOT IMPACT STATE LAWS GOVERNING HOW CONCEALED FIREARMS ARE POSSESSED OR CARRIED. DOES NOT JEOPARDIZE THE STATES’ RIGHTS. I CALL ON MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THANK YOU. I YIELD MYSELF 15 SECONDS. THERE ARE, MY COLLEAGUES, OVER 65 MILLION HANDGUNS IN THE UNITED STATES. AND IN EACH YEAR NEARLY 100,000 PEOPLE IN AMERICA EVERY YEAR ARE SHOT OR KILLED WITH A FIREARM. I NOW YIELD TO OUR DISTINGUISHED JUDICIARY COLLEAGUE, A FORMER MAGISTRATE FROM GEORGIA, HANK JOHNSON, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS DANGEROUS BILL, THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. THE 10TH AMENDMENT OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION PROVIDES AS FOLLOWS. THE POWERS NOT DELEGATED TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE CONSTITUTION NOR PROHIBITED BY IT TO THE STATES ARE RESERVED TO THE STATES RESPECTIVELY. OR TO THE PEOPLE. MR. SPEAKER, THIS BILL WOULD OVERRIDE THE LAWS OF ALMOST EVERY STATE BY FORCING THEM TO ACCEPT CONCEALED CARRY GUN PERMITS FROM EVERY OTHER STATE EVEN IF THE PERMIT HOLDER WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CARRY A HANDGUN IN THE STATE WHERE HE OR SHE IS TRAVELING. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. EACH STATE SHOULD DECIDE WHO MAY CARRY A CONCEALED LOADED GUN WITHIN THEIR BORDERS. AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD RESPECT THE STATE’S RIGHTS TO DO SO. THE IRONY HERE IS THAT THE — MY FRIENDS ON THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE CLAIM TO RESPECT STATE’S RIGHTS. BUT THEN THEY RUSH THIS LEGISLATION TO THE HOUSE FLOOR WHICH TRAMPLES OVER STATE’S RIGHTS. THESE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS CLAIM THEY WANT TO CREATE JOBS FOR THE MILLIONS OF UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS IN OUR NATION, BUT THEY ARE NOT FOCUSING ON CREATING JOBS. INSTEAD, THEY ARE BOWING DOWN TO THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION BY MOVING THIS PIECE OF SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION FORWARD. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS DANGEROUS BILL AND THANK YOU.
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I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. I YIELD A MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM MINNESOTA, MR. KLEIN, WHO IS ALSO — MR. KLINE, WHO IS ALSO THE CHAIRMAN
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COMMITTEE. OF THE EDUCATION AND WORK FORCE THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I RISE TODAY IN STRONG, STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. THIS BILL PROVIDES IMPORTANT PROTECTIONS FOR GUN OWNERS AND IT’S TIME — ITS TIME IS PAST DUE. AS A RETIRED MARINE AND AVID OUTDOORSMAN, I’M AN EXPERIENCED FIREARMS OWNER AND USER. I HOLD A CONCEAL CARRY PR MITT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND I BELIEVE INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS FOR THE PROTECTION OF THEIR HOME, PROPERTY, FAMILY, AND PERSON. THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF MISCARKIZATIONS SURROUNDING THIS LEGISLATION. I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF IT TODAY. TO BE CLEAR THIS BILL DOES NOT CREATE A FEDERAL LICENSING OF REGISTRATION SYSTEM. IT DOES NOT CREATE FEDERAL STANDARDS OR INFRINGE ON THE ABILITY OF STATES TO MAKE LAWS FOR A CARRY PERMIT. IT DOES NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT STATES THAT HAVE PERMITLESS CARRY SYSTEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS BILL WILL PROTECT LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS CURRENT CONFUSION CAUSED BY THE WIDE ARRAY OF STATE LAWS AND PREEMPT THE THREAT OF FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS VERY COULD FACE SIMPLY
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BY TRAVELING OUTSIDE THEIR HOME STATE. NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY PROVIDES CRITICAL
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AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF OUR RECOGNITION THAT THE SECOND CONSTITUENTS DO NOT END WHEN THEY CROSS STATE LINES AND THIS WILL ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO STAND
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FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT, TO STAND FOR THE RIGHTS OF RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS WHO ENGAGE IN GUN SAFETY, AND I URGE THEM TO SUPPORT H.R. 822. I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I YIELD TO OUR DEAR FRIEND, JIM MORAN, OF VIRGINIA, 1 1/2 MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 1 1/2 MINUTES. MR. SPEAKER, THE FIRST REASON THIS BILL SHOULD BE DEFEATED IS THAT IT USURPS STATE AUTHORITY AND REPLACES IT WITH A
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FEDERAL DIRECTIVE. LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THIS IS A RADICAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION. TODAY 43 STATES ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS LAW. 38 STATES TODAY PREVENT PEOPLE FROM CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS IF THEY HAVE CERTAIN DANGEROUS MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS. 35 STATES REQUIRE THE COMPLETION OF A GUN — SHORT GUN SAFETY PROGRAM. THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA HAS WEAKENED ITS GUN LAWS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS ALLOWING CONCEALED GUNS IN BARS AND RENEWAL OF PERMITS BY MAIL. I DISAGREE WITH THESE ACTIONS, BUT I WOULD NEVER QUESTION THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY’S AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. BUT THIS BILL MAKES OUR STATE
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IRRELEVANT. LEGISLATURE’S JUDGMENT THIS IS A FEDERAL POWER GRAB. COMING FROM A MAJORITY THAT CLAIMS TO BE A DEFENDER OF STATES’ RIGHTS. THE SECOND REASON THAT THIS BILL SHOULD BE DEFEATED IS THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS OPPOSE IT. THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE MAJOR CITIES POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION, THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF
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BILL.
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CHIEFS OF POLICE ALL OPPOSE THIS WHY? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR POLICE TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF 49 DIFFERENT CARRY PERMITS PLACING OFFICERS IN POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS. SOME STATES DON’T EVEN KEEP VERIFIABLE DATA BASES OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ISSUED CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TRYING TO CURB ILLEGAL GUN SMUGGLING, BUT THIS BILL ALLOWS TRAFFICKERS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO TRANSPORT FIREARMS AND PRESENT
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AN UNVERIFIABLE PERMIT IF STOPPED BY POLICE. THIS IS A BLATANT LEMMING OVERREACH PRESUMABLY BECAUSE IT WAS NEXT ON THE N.R.A.’S LEGISLATIVE WISH LIST. WE SHOULD DEFEAT THIS BILL, MR. SPEAKER. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARKANSAS, MR. ROSS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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ARKANSAS IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I RISE TODAY IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 822. IF YOU GET A DRIVER’S LICENSE IN ARKANSAS, IT’S RECOGNIZED IN EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY. AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT, THE SAME RULES SHOULD APPLY. OUR SECOND AMOUNT RIGHTS TO OWN AND BEAR ARMS ARE UNIVERSAL, AND OUR LAWS SHOULD REFLECT THAT AS BEST THEY CAN. THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT WOULD ALLOW EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN WITH A VALID CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM IN ALL STATES THAT ALLOW THEM FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES. LET ME BE CLEAR, IF YOUR STATE BANS CONCEALED FIREARMS, THEN THIS LAW WILL NOT AFFECT THAT BAN. THIS BILL DOES NOT CHANGE ANY STATE LAWS ABOUT WHEN AND WHERE YOU CAN CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM. THIS BILL DOES NOT CREATE A NEW FEDERAL LICENSING SYSTEM. IT SIMPLY REINFORCES OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND MAKES THE LAWS MORE FAIR FOR LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS. AS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE WE MUST PASS THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT NOW AND I MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN VOTING FOR THE BILL. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, BILL PASCRELL, 1 1/2 MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS
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. RECOGNIZED FOR 1 1/2 MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
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CHAIRMAN. THE RANKING MEMBER, MR. I HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE ON THIS BILL. WHERE WHETHER I WOULD SUPPORT A DISPUTABLE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN BY LAW CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON OR MOVE TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE THIS. NOW, WHO OPPOSES THIS LEGISLATION? BESIDES ME? MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE MAJOR CITIES CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AND POLICE FOUNDATION OPPOSE THIS BILL. DOESN’T THIS MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU AT ALL? DOESN’T IT? OR DOES IT? I’LL PREFER — I PREFER COMMUNITY POLICING THAN TRY TO PUT MORE GUNS INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WE DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO ARE GOING TO BE TRAINED TO EVEN USE THEM. THAT’S MY PREFERENCE. THIS MEANS MY HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY — THIS IS NOT IDAHO, THIS IS NOT MONTANA. WE’RE — IN FACT, WE HAVE THE MOST VASTLY POPULATED STATE IN THE UNION. THERE IS A DIFFERENT CULTURE. WHEN CLINTON ARGUED ON BEHALF OF GUN POSSESSION WHEN HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, HE ALWAYS MADE THIS POINT ABOUT THE CULTURAL
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DIFFERENCES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. WE RESPECT THAT. I’M NOT AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THOSE FOLKS IN THE STREET WHO ARE OUTARMED — OUTARM AND OUTGUN OUR POLICE OFFICERS. 12,000 POLICE OFFICERS WE HAVE
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IN THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU.
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12,000 LESS POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR STREETS. WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AS A PRIORITY RATHER THAN THIS AS A PRIORITY. SO I MADE THE DECISION. THE EVIDENCE IS LIKE THIS AGAINST DOING THIS. WE HAVEN’T HAD ANY LEGISLATION WHICH TOOK AWAY ONE GUN IN THE PAST 20 YEARS FROM ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY. NOT ONE. SO WE HAVE MADE THE PERCEPTION BEING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM PEOPLE. HOW DARE YOU EVEN SAY, PROTECT OUR POLICE, DON’T VOTE FOR THIS? I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS, MR. KINSINGER. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS SIMPLE. WHEN THE GUNS ARE HEARD, IT IS THOUGHT IT IS CRIMINALS. THIS BILL IS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO BEAR ARMS. ILLINOIS WE HAVE CONCEALED-CARRY. THERE ARE PEOPLE KILLED IN CHICAGO VERY OFTEN BY GUNS THAT ARE ALREADY CONCEALED. BUT NOT CONCEALED BY LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. ILLINOIS’ THE ONLY STATE THAT
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DOESN’T ALLOW A FORM OF IT LEGALLY. I WANT H.R. 8 2 TO BE A CLEAR SIGN TO THE GOVERNOR OF ILLINOIS THAT NOW IS THE TIME TO JOIN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN ALLOWING CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO CONCEAL A FIREARM ON THEIR PERSON. WE HEAR SO MUCH OF THE — IF WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED, BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF STATISTICS. AFTER 2008, THERE WAS A RECORD NUMBER OF GUNS PURCHASED, BUT WE SAW CRIME DROP ALMOST
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BAR NONE. EVERYWHERE. MY POINT IS THAT IN THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. ILLINOIS NEEDS TO JOIN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN SUPPORTING CONCEALED-CARRY FOR ITS CITIZENS AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A SIGN THAT IT’S TIME TO DO SO NOW AND I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I’M PLEASED TO YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLELADY FROM FLORIDA, DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. THIS ILL CONCEIVED BILL IS YET ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM WHAT SHOULD BE THE MOST PRESSING CONCERN OF THIS CONGRESS, PUTTING AMERICANS BACK TO WORK. WHAT’S MORE DISTURBING IS THAT THIS BILL JEOPARDIZES PUBLIC SAFETY BY MANDATING THAT STATES HONOR EVEN THE MOST LAXED
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CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS OF OTHER STATES.
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GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS IS INCORRECT. THIS IS ABOUT CRIMINALS. FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IN SOUTH FLORIDA, GUN CONTROL IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE COUNTRY. AND IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA, THERE ARE 8,000 PERMITS FOR CONCEALED FIREARMS. FLORIDA’S PROCESS FOR ISSUING LICENSE IS PROBLEMATIC ENOUGH AND I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT SUGGEST FOISTING IT ON ANY OTHER STATE THAT HAS STRONGER
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CITIZENS. SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT ITS BUT THIS BILL WILL DO EXACTLY THAT. FOR STATES THAT REQUIRE AGE MINUTE MUMS OR SAFETY TRAINING BEFORE GETTING A CONCEALED WEAPON PERMIT OR PROHIBITS CERTAIN VIOLENT OFFENDERS FROM GETTING A LICENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THIS GOES OUT THE WINDOW
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IF THIS BILL IS PASSED INTO LAW. WHAT WE GET IS THE WORST OF THE WORST, THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. FOR EXAMPLE, IN JUST ONE SIX-MONTH PERIOD IN 2006, FLORIDA GAVE CONCEALED LICENSE TO MORE THAN 1,400 INDIVIDUALS WHO PLEADED GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO FELONIES. 216 OF THEM HAD OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. 128 OF THEM HAD ACTIVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUNCTIONS. UNDER THIS BILL OTHER STATES
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PERMITS. WILL BE MANDATED TO HONOR THESE THEY’LL BE MANDATED TO ALLOW FLORIDA SELF-ADMITTED FELONS TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IN THEIR STATES. THIS IS WHY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL.
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IT’S OPPOSED BY MORE THAN 600 MEMBERS OF THE BIPARTISAN MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS, INCLUDING MANY OF MY LOCAL
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FLORIDA. MAYORS OF BOTH PARTIES IN SOUTH WHY WOULD THIS BILL BE A HIGHER PLY OR THE THAN CREATING JOBS — PRIORITY THAN CREATING JOBS? THE HOUSE MAJORITY STILL HAS NO JOBS AGENDA. REGARDLESS OF HOW AMERICANS FEEL ABOUT GUNS, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY WOULD AGREE THAT GUN POLICY IS NOT A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN JOB CREATION IS RIGHT NOW. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO ON THIS BILL AND I URGE MY FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE TO STOP PUTTING AMERICAN LIVES AT RISK AND START PUTTING THEM
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BACK TO WORK. THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO MR. COBLE, WHO IS ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COURT SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.
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I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I RISE IN SUPPORT OF H.R. 822, CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS MAY BE THE MOST SCRUTINIZED PERMITS FOR GUN OWNERS TO RECEIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MANNER IN WHICH THESE PERMITS ARE RECOGNIZED BY VARIOUS STATES IS CONFUSING AND INCONSISTENT. H.R. 822 WILL HELP RESOLVE THIS DILEMMA, MR. CHAIRMAN. FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY HOME STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS FROM SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA ARE RECOGNIZED, BUT NOT PERMITS FROM NEW MEXICO. MEANWHILE, NEW MEXICO READILY RECOGNIZES CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS FROM NORTH CAROLINA. IF ENACTED THERE WOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY OVER WHICH PERMITS ARE VALID. ANOTHER REASON FOR SUPPORTING H.R. 822 IS THAT IT PROTECTS STATES’ SOVEREIGNTY. STATES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ISSUE CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS AND STATE LAWS REGARDING THE USE OF OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS ARE EXPLICITLY PRESERVED. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT — INDIVIDUALS TO OWN A FIREARM, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT OWNERSHIP AND USE OF A FIREARM CARRIES A
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RESPONSIBILITY. SPECIAL LEVEL OF PERSONAL THIS BILL PROMOTES BOTH OF THESE IDEAS AND IF ENACTED IT WILL HELP MAKE AMERICA SAFER WHICH PROBABLY EXPLAINS WHY THIS BILL HAS 245 CO-SPONSORS.
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BACK. I THANK THE CHAIRMAN AND YIELD
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I AM PLEASED TO YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, RUSH HOLT, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF LEGISLATION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGICAL FERVOR OF ITS SPONSORS RATHER THAN BY ANY PRACTICAL APPROACH TO SAFETY, H.R. 822 WOULD AMEND EXISTING FEDERAL LAW TO ESTABLISH A NATIONAL STANDARD FOR CARRYING CONCEALED FIREARMS. AS THE SPONSORS WELL KNOW, THESE MATTERS HAVE LONG BEEN THE PROVINCE OF THE STATES. IT’S FASCINATING HOW QUICKLY THE MAJORITY IGNORES THE 10TH AMENDMENT WHEN THE GUN LOBBYING COMES CALLING. WHY NEEDLESSLY CREATE A CONFLICT OR SHOULD I SAY A SHOOTOUT BETWEEN THE SECOND AND THE 10TH AMENDMENT? PASSAGE OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SAFETY ACT OF 2004, WHICH I VOTED FOR AND WHICH PERMITS QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO CARRY CONCEALED FIREARMS ACROSS STATES, MAKES THIS ESSENTIALLY REDUNDANT AND UNNECESSARY. THE BILL BEFORE US WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF OVERRIDING NEW JERSEY’S OWN LAWS IN THIS AREA WHICH POLICE OFFICERS AND HUNTERS AND OTHER CITIZENS TELL ME WORKS WELL AND KEEPS OUR CITIZENS SAFE. ASK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THEY’LL TELL YOU NEW JERSEYANS LIVE WELL ONE OUR — WITHIN OUR GUN SAFETY LAWS. WE DON’T NEED OTHER LAXED LAWS. OTHERS HAVE SAID BUT MAYBE IT’S WORTH REPEATING. THIS BODY SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON CREATING JOBS, NOT PASSING IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ENDANGER PUBLIC SAFETY, SUBVERT THE CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER AND GO AGAINST THE INTERESTS AND THE DECLARED RECOMMENDATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ALL ACROSS THE U.S. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE CHAIR WOULD INFORM THE MANAGERS, THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS HAS 9 1/4 MINUTES REMAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN HAS 2 1/2 MINUTES REMAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, MR. LUNGREN.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOR THAT REASON I SIGNED ON AND THE HELLER CASE AND THE MCDONALD VS. THE CITY OF CHICAGO CASE, UPHOLDING THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AS AN INDIVIDUAL CONSTITUTIONAL
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I BELIEVE THAT. RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME AS THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA,
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ABIDING COMMITMENT TO I CONTINUE TO HAVE A DEEP AND PRESERVING STATES’ RIGHTS IN THE MANNER WHICH THE FOUNDERS ENVISIONED, THE NOTION OF FEDERALISM. AND UNDER THE 10TH AMENDMENT IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE CONSTITUTION ALINDICATES WHAT ARE KNOWN GENERALLY AS POLICE POWERS TO THE STATES TO PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH. THAT’S WHY I OBJECT TO SOME OF OUR LEGISLATION TO EXPAND THE FEDERAL ROLE IN TORT LAW AND IN MARRIAGE LAW BECAUSE YOU — IT’S NOT JUST THOSE THINGS YOU NECESSARILY AGREE WITH, BUT IT’S TOUGHER WHEN IT’S THOSE THINGS YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT ARE LEFT TO THE STATES. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT LICENSES HERE. YOU DON’T HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE YOUR LICENSE TO PRACTICE
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MEDICINE OR LAW TO THE NEXT STATE. WE HAVE NOT REQUIRED THAT. WE ALLOW STATES TO DO THAT. AND HERE’S THE OTHER THINGS. MY STATES ARE ONE OF THE MOST LIBERAL. WE HAVE TOO LIBERAL A LAW WITH RESPECT TO CONCEALED WEAPONS BUT THE ONLY WAY THE LIBERAL STATE LEGISLATURE IN CALIFORNIA WILL FOLLOW THIS IS BY FOLLOWING ILLINOIS BUS BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY WAY TO GET A LIMIT, AS THEY SEE IT, ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS. WOULD THE GENTLEMAN GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE TIME? I GIVE YOU 15 SECONDS. PEOPLE IN MY STATE MIGHT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WILL GET RID OF ALL CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY UNDER
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ONLY THING THEY CAN DO TO THIS LEGISLATION THAT’S THE POLICE THE ELIGIBILITY OF THOSE WHO GET CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS. SO THIS DOES COAT BOTH WAYS. I THINK WE OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND THAT STATES’ RIGHTS ARE A
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LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT HERE ON THIS FLOOR.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM UTAH, MR. MATHESON. THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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MINUTE. UTAH IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I’D LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE, MR. STEARNS, FOR INTRODUCING THE BILL BEFORE US TODAY. I SUPPORT THIS BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, I BELIEVE THAT OUR GUN LAWS SHOULD ENSURE THAT A RESPONSIBLE LAW-ABIDING INDIVIDUAL IS ABLE TO EXERCISE THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO CARRY FIREARMS AND, TWO, THIS BILL SIMPLIFIES WHAT IS NOW A PIECEMEAL SYSTEM OF RECIPROCAL AGREEMENTS AMONG THE STATES. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF CONCEALED-CARRY HOLDERS IN THIS
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NATION INCLUDING THOSE IN MY STATE. THEY CAN LEGALLY CARRY A WEAPON FOR SELF-DEFENSE. BY PASSING THIS BILL WE WILL ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY TRAVEL TO OTHER STATES THEY WILL EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE WHILE AWAY FROM HOME. THIS DOES NOT CEAL A FEDERAL LICENSING SYSTEM, IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO CARRY THEM TO STATES LIKE ILLINOIS. I THINK THIS ADDRESSES THE CRITICISM OF THIS LEGISLATION TO DETERMINE WHO CAN CARRY CONCEAL WEAPONS WITHIN THE STATES’ BORDERS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE AWARE OF AND ABIDE BY THAT STATE’S RULES.
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AMENDMENT RIGHTS, I SUPPORT SUPPORTER OF SECT
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ADOPTION. THIS LEGISLATION AND URGE ITS I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I’LL YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK, —
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR YIELDING. MR. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. THIS BILL IS ABOUT FREEDOM. IT’S ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND OUR BILL OF RIGHTS. THIS BILL IS ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT. AS WITH ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS CONTAINED IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS, THESE WERE BORNE OUT OF OUR EXPERIENCES WITH KING GEORGE AND A DESIRE TO PREVENT SUCH ABUSES OF POWER IN OUR REPUBLIC. INDEED, AT THE OUTSET OF HOSTILITIES DURING THE REVOLUTION, THE BRITISH ARMY MARCHED UNCONQUERED TO CONFISCATE OUR GUNS AND EXTINGUISH OUR FREEDOMS. THE FOUNDERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO ASSURE OUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND TO SAFEGUARD OUR LIBERTY. THIS IS A NONPARTISAN BILL, AT LEAST IN MY DISTRICTS. DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS HOLD DEAR OUR BILL OF RIGHTS. THE PREMISE OF THE — THE PREMISE OF 822 IS VERY SIMPLE. IF A CITIZEN IS PERMITTED TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON IN ONE STATE, OTHER STATES IN A HAVE A
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AND RECOGNIZE IT. CONCEALED-CARRY LAW WILL HONOR SUPPORTING AND STRENGTHENING THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT
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. IT, AND I YIELD BACK. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. I YIELD TWO MINUTES
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MR. GOODLATTE. TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA, THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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MINUTES. VIRGINIA IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR YIELDING AND FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. MR. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT OF 2011. THIS BIPARTISAN BILL HAS 245 CO-SPONSORS AND ENHANCES AMERICAN’S RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE BY ENABLING MILLIONS OF PERMIT HOLDERS TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE WHILE TRAVELING OUTSIDE THEIR HOME STATES. THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND WE ARE ALL TAKING AN OATH IN THIS BODY TO UPHOLD THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, INCLUDING RIGHTS UPPED THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AND THE 10TH AMENDMENT IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT RIGHT AS WELL, BUT IT DOES NOT TRUMP THE RIGHT OR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS BODY TO PROTECT RIGHTS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 49 STATES HAVE LAWS THAT PERMIT THEIR CITIZENS TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM IN SOME FASHION OR ANOTHER. UNLIKE DRIVERS LICENSES, HOWEVER, CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS IN ONE STATE ARE NOT ALWAYS AUTHORIZED TO CARRY THEIR FIREARMS WHEN TRAVELING OUTSIDE THEIR HOME STATE. H.R. 822 REMEDIES THIS PROBLEM BY GRANTING CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS RECIPROCITY BETWEEN STATES. THE FIREARM OWNER MUST ABIDE BY ALL APPLICABLE STATE LAWS WHEN
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CARRYING IN A FOREIGN JURISDICTION. THIS BILL AFFIRMS THE SECOND AMENDMENT, THAT’S A SECOND AMENDMENT, PROTECTS THE FUNDAMENTAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AND THAT THE STATES CANNOT UNREASONABLY INFRINGE UPON THAT RIGHT. IN MCDONALD VS. CHICAGO, THE SUPREME COURT CONCLUDED THAT THE DUE PROCESS CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT INCORPORATES THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT RECOGNIZED BY THE SUPREME COURT IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA VERSUS HELLER. THIS BILL DOES NOT CREATE ANY KIND OF FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY THAT MAY CONCERN SOME PEOPLE. IT SIMPLY EXTENDS TO THEM THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WHEN THEY TRAVEL IN OTHER STATES. H.R. 822 RECOGNIZES THAT RIGHT AND I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS MEASURE. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS HAS 4 1/4 MINUTES REMAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN HAS 2 1/4 MINUTES REMAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD THE BALANCE OF OUR TIME TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. ROB WOODALL. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 2 1/4 MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. I LOVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I GOT MY FIRST GUN FROM SANTA CLAUS WHEN I WAS YEARS OLD. FIRST HANDGUN I EVER FIRED, WASN’T MY DAD OR MY UNCLE’S OR
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GRANDFATHER’S, IT WAS MY MOTHER’S. I GOT MY FIRST CONCEALED CARRY APPLICATION FILLED OUT AS A FRESHMAN IN LAW SCHOOL, LIVED IN A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD, NEEDED IT
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FOR SELF-PROTECTION, I HAVE HAD IT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS. I LOVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT. BUT IF THE SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTS MY RIGHTS TO CARRY MY CONCEALED WEAPON FROM STATE TO STATE TO STATE, I DON’T NEED ANOTHER FEDERAL LAW TO SAY, YEAH, I MEAN IT. IT’S ALREADY PROTECTED. AND IF THE SECOND AMENDMENT DOESN’T PROTECT MY RIGHT TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON FROM STATE TO STATE TO STATE, THEN THE 9TH AND 10TH AMENDMENTS LEAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO INDIVIDUALS AND THE STATES TO REGULATE ON THEIR OWN. I CAME TO CONGRESS TO PROTECT FREEDOM. I DON’T BELIEVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS PUT IN THE BILL OF
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RIGHTS TO ALLOW ME TO SHOOT TARGETS. I DON’T BELIEVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS PUT IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO ALLOW ME TO HUNT FOR DEER AND TURKEY. I THINK THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS PUT IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS SO THAT I COULD DEFEND MY FREEDOM AGAINST AN OVERBEARING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I DON’T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN ANY ISSUE OF THE LAW WHERE THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT REQUIRE IT. AND IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT HERE. DON’T TELL ME IT’S AN INTERSTATE COMMERCE CLAUSE ISSUE. WE DISMISSED THAT ON MY SIDE OF THE AISLE REGULARLY.
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DON’T TELL ME IT’S NECESSARY AND PROPER. WE DISMISS THAT ON OUR SIDE OF THE AISLE REGULARLY. AND DON’T TELL ME IT’S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT BECAUSE WE DISMISS THAT ON OUR SIDE OF THE AISLE REGULARLY. THE TEMPTATION TO LEGISLATE IS GREAT. THE TEMPTATION IS GREAT. I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE IN THE INTENT OF THIS LEGISLATION. I WANT THE RIGHT TO CARRY FROM TO COAST, GEORGIA HAS ALREADY ORCHESTRATED RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS WITH 25 STATES. WE’VE GOT 24 MORE TO GO. THE SECOND AMENDMENT EXISTS. SO THAT WE CAN KEEP AND BEAR ARMS TO DEFEND OURSELF AGAINST GOVERNMENT NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENDED. RATHER THAN ARMS, I ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO USE THEIR VOTING CARDS TODAY TO DEFEND US. AGAINST THE OVERREACH OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NO MATTER HOW WELL INTENDED.
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ALASKA, MR. YOUNG. THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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ALASKA IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR YIELDING. I HAVE LISTENED TO THIS DEBATE. THIS IS A RECIPROCITY VOTE ALLOWS ME TO CARRY MY WEAPON AS I CARRIED FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER AS
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A PERMIT AND THEY DO ALSO. BUT MORE THAN THAT, I AM A LITTLE BIT RESENTFUL WHEN I HEAR ON THE FLOOR THIS IS THE WILL OF THE N.R.A.
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COULD VOTE. I’M A LIFETIME MEMBER SINCE I I AM A MEMBER TODAY. I PARTICIPATE IN THEIR BOARD
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MEETINGS AND I’M PROUD OF THAT ORGANIZATION. IT’S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LEADING ORGANIZATIONS TO CAST THAT IN THE FORM OF THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA IS WRONG. THE GREATEST STRENGTH THE N.R.A. HAS IS ITS MEMBERS. TALK ABOUT HOW STRONG THEY ARE AS A LOBBYING GROUP. THE LOBBYING GROUP IS THE CITIZEN. THE CITIZEN THAT WANTS TO CARRY HIS ARM AS PERMITTED ACROSS STATE LANDS AS THEY DO WITH THE DRIVER’S LICENSE. THIS IS A GOOD PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I’M GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. THERE CAN BE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, BUT DON’T TAKE IT AWAY FROM MYSELF TO GO FROM ALASKA WITH MY PERMIT AND GO INTO THE OTHER 38 STATES THAT HAVE — I BELIEVE 38 OR 40 STATES THAT
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HAVE PERMITS AND I CAN’T USE MY PERMIT. THAT’S WRONG. LET’S VET FOR THIS LEGISLATION. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS HAS 3 1/4 MINUTES REREMAINING. I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM FLORIDA.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. MISS ADAM — AS A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND STATE REPRESENTATIVE I HAVE DEALT WITH
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AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ISSUES RELATING TO OUR SECOND IT’S INTERESTING WHEN I HEAR SOME OF THE FLURRING BETWEEN GUN PURCHASES AND A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. I HAVE DONE BOTH. AND AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF SOMEONE WOULD TELL ME HEY I HAVE A CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT AND WEAPON RATHER THAN FINDING IT EITHER BY ACCIDENT OR HAVING IT POINTED AT ME.
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I STAND IN GREAT SUPPORT OF THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
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I DO BELIEVE IT IS GOOD LEGISLATION. IT WILL NOT HARM THE PEOPLE AS I HAVE HEARD HERE ON THE FLOOR. AND I HAVE HEARD THAT WE AREN’T WORKING ON JOBS. BEG TO DIFFER THAT ISSUE BECAUSE WE HAVE PASSED OVER 20 BILLS SITTING IN THE SENATE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD THAT WOULD RELATE TO JOBS. SO, YES, WE ARE WORKING ON JOBS AND THE ECONOMY. AND WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT TO US FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. I STAND IN GREAT SUPPORT OF 822. THANK YOU. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS.
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I YIELD MYSELF THE BALANCE OF THE TIME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 2 1/4 MINUTES. H.R. 822 IS IMPORTANT LEGISLATION THAT RECOGNIZES THAT AMERICANS’ ABILITY TO EXERCISE THEIR FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SHOULD NOT DISAPPEAR AT THEIR STATES’ — STATE’S BORDER. THE PARADE OF HORRIBLES THAT HAVE BEEN ALLEGED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE NOT TRUE. FEDERAL LAW ALREADY PROHIBITS FELONS, DOMESTIC ABUSERS, AND ILLEGAL DRUG USERS FROM POSSESSING A FIREARM. THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT CHANGE THAT. IF A PERSON IS PROHIBITED FROM POSSESSING A FIREARM UNDER FEDERAL LAW, THEY CANNOT CARRY A
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BILL. CONCEALED WEAPON UNDER THIS THE ARGUMENTS WE HAVE HEARD SO OFTEN TODAY AGAINST THIS LEGISLATION ARE AGAINST GUNS IN THE HANDS OF VIOLENT CRIMINALS, GENERALLY, NOT AGAINST LEGALLY PERMITTED CONCEALED WEAPONS. CONCEAL CARRY LAWS HAVE SHOWN THAT CONCEALED WEAPONS ACTUALLY LOWER VIOLENT CRIME RATES IN A JURISDICTION. H.R. 822 SIMPLY PERMITS LAW-ABIDING AMERICANS TO TAKE THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WITH THEM WHEN THEY TRAVEL. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS BIPARTISAN PIECE OF LEGISLATION.
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I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. ALL TIME FOR GENERAL DEBATE HAS EXPIRED. PURSUANT TO THE RULE, THE AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE PRINTED IN BILL SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS AN ORIGINAL BILL FOR THE PURPOSE OF AMENDMENT UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE
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READ. RULE AND SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS NO AMENDMENT TO THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE SHALL BE IN ORDER EXCEPT THOSE PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. EACH SUCH AMENDMENT MAY BE OFFERED ONLY IN THE ORDER
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MEMBER DESIGNATED IN THE REPORT, PRINTED IN THE REPORT BY A SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS READ, SHALL BE DEBATABLE FOR THE TIME SPECIFIED IN THE REPORT EQUALLY DIVIDED AND CONTROLLED BY THE PROPONENT AND AN OPPONENT, SHALL TO AMENDMENT, AND
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NOT BE SUBJECT TO DEMAND FOR SHALL NOT BE SUBJECT TO — SHALL DIVISION OF THE QUESTION. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE PRINTED IN REPORT 112-283.
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FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA SEEK RECOGNITION? I HAVE AN AMENDMENT
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THE CLERK WILL AT THE DESK. DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT NUMBER 112-283, OFFERED BY MR. WOODALL OF GEORGIA. PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463, THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. WOODALL, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED, EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES, THE CHAIR
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GEORGIA. RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN. THE AMENDMENT I HAVE INTRODUCED TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE SUCH APPRECIATION FOR THE GOAL OF H.R. 822 SAYS UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS RECIPROCITY ACROSS THE NATION, FOR ALL THOSE STATES AND ALL THOSE CITIZENS THAT HAVE ALREADY LABORED IN THE VINEYARDS TO ACHIEVE RECIPROCITY, LET’S LEAVE THOSE STATE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. IF WE MUST TAKE MORE FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY, LET’S NOT TAKE IT FROM THOSE AREAS WHERE THE STATES ARE WORKING. WHERE THE PROCESS IS WORKING. YOU LIVE IF MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR STATE OF ALABAMA, YOU ALREADY RECOGNIZE 22 OTHER STATES’ PERMITS. IN GEORGIA WE RECOGNIZE 23. IN FLORIDA TO OUR SOUTH, 33. THE SYSTEM IS WORKING TODAY. LEGISLATURES ARE WORKING OUT THESE AGREEMENTS TODAY IF WE MUST EXPAND THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FEDERAL REACH, IN THE GUN LAW LEGISLATION, LET’S NOT TRAMPLE ON THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT ALREADY EXIST TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL THAT SO MANY SHARE. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE GOAL OF H.R. 822 WHICH IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL AMERICANS HAVE CONCEALED
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CARRY RECIPROCITY ACROSS THE NATION. TODAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. THROUGH STATE LEGISLATURES, ATTORNEY GENERALS, MY AMENDMENT WOULD LEAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE AND PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF STATES TO CONTINUE TO LEGISLATE AND REGULATE IN THIS AREA.
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I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THIS AMENDMENT UNDERCUTS THE UNIFORM ELIGIBILITY STANDARD THAT PROVIDES THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS LEGISLATION. THE UNDERLYING BILL ALLOWS INDIVIDUALS WITH VALID PERMITS TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM IN OTHER STATES THAT ALSO AUTHORIZE CONCEAL CARRY. THIS SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS LIMITED BY THIS AMENDMENT. 49 STATES AUTHORIZE CONCEAL CARRY AND 40 OF THOSE STATES HAVE RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS WITH ALL OR SOME OF THE OTHER CONCEAL CARRY STATES. BUT KNEES AGREEMENTS VARY FROM STATE TO STATE, CREATING A PATCHWORK OF LAWS THAT LIMITS RECIPROCITY, CREATES CONFUSION FOR GUN OWNERS, AND UNDERMINES THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA KEEPS THIS PATCHWORK IN PLACE BY EXEMPTING STATES WITH
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BILL. RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS FROM THE THE AMENDMENT PREVENTS INDIVIDUALS FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF NATIONWIDE CONCEAL CARRY RECIPROCITY UNLESS THE STATE THEY RESIDE IN HAS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE THEY WISH TO TRAVEL TO. WHILE I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES’ — COLLEAGUE’S DEDICATION TO THE CONCEPT OF STATES’ RIGHTS, I THINK IT IS MISAPPLIED TO THIS LEGISLATION. H.R. 822 UPHOLDS STATES’ RIGHTS IN SEVERAL IMPORTANT WAYS. FIRST, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO THOSE JURISDICTION THAT IS PROHIBIT CONCEAL CARRY SUCH AS ILLINOIS AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. SECOND, THE BILL DOES NOT AFFECT A STATE’S RIGHT TO SET ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OWN RESIDENTS. THIRD, H.R. 822 DOES NOT IMPACT STATE LAWS GOVERNING HOW CONCEALED FIREARMS ARE OPPOSED
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OR CARRIED WITHIN THE VARIOUS STATES. ALL STATE, FEDERAL, AND LOCAL LAWS THAT PROHIBIT, FOR EXAMPLE, CARRYING A CONCEALED HANDGUN IN A PUBLIC BUILDING OR PLACE OF WORSHIP APPLY EQUALLY TO A NONRESIDENT CONCEALED CARRY HOLDER. AND FOURTH, THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT CREATE ANY AUTHORITY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO REGULATE CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS ANY ROLE IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OR OVERSIGHT OF THIS BILL WHICH IS LEFT RIGHTFULLY UP TO THE STATES. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THIS BILL RESPECTS AND PROTECTS AN INDIVIDUAL’S RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS WHILE THEY ARE TRAVELING. IN TWO RECENT DECISIONS, THE U.S. SUPREME COURT AFFIRMED THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT ENDOWS INDIVIDUALS WITH THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. AND THIS RIGHT IS BASED IN LARGE PART ON THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ONE’S SELF. AMERICANS DON’T NEED TO SIMPLY DEFEND THEMSELVES IN THEIR HOMES, THEY MUST ALSO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES AND WHILE TRAVELING TO OTHER STATES. 80% OF VIOLENT CRIME OCCURS OUTSIDE THE HOME, ACCORDING TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. AMERICANS CANNOT FULLY BE EMPOWERED TO DEFEND THEMSELVES IF THEY ARE PREVENTED FROM EXERCISING ALL THEIR SECOND
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. AMENDMENT RIGHTS. THIS ADVANCES THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND I REGRET I BELIEVE THAT THIS AMENDMENT INFRINGES UPON THAT RIGHT. FOR THESE REASONS I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT AND I’LL RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN
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RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I THANK THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE FOR HIS WORK ON THESE ISSUES. AND I AGREE WITH SO MUCH OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT THE MERIT OF THIS LEGISLATION IS THAT IT ELIMINATES THE PATCHWORK OF RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS THAT GO ON ACROSS THIS COUNTRY AND THE PRICE WE PAY FOR ELIMINATING THAT PATCHWORK IS TRAMPLING UPON THE WORK OF THE STATES. I’M A FRESHMAN IN THIS HOUSE, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I THINK SMALL GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES IN PREVIOUS CONGRESSES HAVE LOST THEIR WAY. PARTICULARLY DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, THEY WENT A LONG — ALONG WITH A HUGE EXPANSION OF GOVERNMENT REGULATION WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS. THEY WENT AROUND — WENT ALONG WITH A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS. THEY INCREASED THE REGULATORY
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BURDEN OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS. AND THIS BILL TODAY IS BROUGHT WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS. BUT WHEN PREVIOUS CONGRESSES HAVE GONE ALONG WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS, PERSONAL
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ERODED. FREEDOM AND LIBERTY HAVE BEEN EVEN WITH THE VERY BEST OF INTENTIONS. MR. SPEAKER, THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS AT THE WOODALL — IF THE WOODALL AMENDMENT PASSES TODAY IS THAT AGREEMENTS THAT ALREADY EXIST FOR RECIPROCITY AND ANY FUTURE AGREEMENTS MADE FOR RECIPROCITY WILL BE HELD SUPREME OVER A UNIFIED FEDERAL STANDARD. I ASK MY COLLEAGUES, MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES, ISN’T IT WORTH IT? ISN’T SACRIFICING A UNIFORM FRAMEWORK WORTH IT? TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF STATE LEGISLATURES AND THE WORK OF CITIZENS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND PROMOTE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS ACROSS THIS NATION? AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS
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BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MAY I ASK THE CHAIRMAN HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE REMAINING? THE GENTLEMAN HAS TWO MINUTES REMAINING. I YIELD TWO MINUTES TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. JOHNSON. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 30 SECONDS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR YIELDING THE TIME. MR. SPEAKER, I RISE IN SUPPORT
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AMENDMENT. OF CONGRESSMAN WOODALL’S I WOULD POINT OUT THAT CURRENTLY STATES HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENTER INTO RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER STATES. THIS LEGISLATION, SHOULD IT PASS, WOULD TAKE THAT ABILITY AWAY. IT WOULD MANDATE THAT THERE BE THIS RECIPROCITY AGREEMENT. AND THAT’S A USURPATION OF STATES’ RIGHTS. THE N.R.A. AS A LOBBYING ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS QUITE POWERFUL HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. I WILL SAY THAT.
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THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD MYSELF THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. MR. SPEAKER, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS BILL IS TO ALLOW THOSE THAT HAVE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO FREELY CARRY THEIR WEAPONS INTO OTHER STATES THAT ALSO HAVE AND RECOGNIZE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT WE IN MY JUDGMENT
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SECOND AMENDMENT. WOULD BE INFRINGING UPON THE I FEEL THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT SHOULD BE ENFORCED, WE OUGHT TO INTERPRET IT BROADLY, WE OUGHT TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, TRAVEL FREELY FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS, ACCEPT FOR THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED LOCALLY BY THEIR STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. I MENTIONED A WHILE AGO THAT ONE RECOGNITION OF STATE PREROGATIVES THAT WE HAVE IN THE BILL IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF ONE STATE DOES NOT ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO GO INTO A PUBLIC BUILDING OR A SPORTS EVENT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF LOCATION, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO DO SO EVEN IF THEY HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT FROM OUT OF STATE. SO ONCE AGAIN, WE NEED TO RESPECT THE RIGHT THAT IS GIVEN TO US BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN A COMPLETE, FULL WAY. WE NEED TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO
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STATE. TRAVEL FREELY FROM STATE TO THIS BILL, UNDERLYING BILL, DOES THAT WITH ONE EXCEPTION, THE STATE OF ILLINOIS DOES NOT RECOGNIZE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY A WEAPON INTO THAT STATE. EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE STATE, WE NEED TO EMBRACE THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN EVERY WAY THAT WE CAN, RECOGNIZE THE SUPREME COURT HAS DONE THE SAME THING, ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO TRAVEL WITH THOSE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS.
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I’LL YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT
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GEORGIA. OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. ON THAT I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18, FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA WILL BE POSTPONED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283.
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FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM — THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NEW YORK RISE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. THE CLERK WILL DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283
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OFFERED BY MRS. MCCARTHY OF NEW YORK. PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463, THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NEW YORK AND A MEMBER
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MINUTES. OPPOSED EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NEW YORK.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM MICHIGAN, MR. CONYERS, FOR WORKING WITH ME ON THIS ISSUE. I RISE TOTALLY IN OPPOSITION TO H.R. 822. IT SADDENS ME BUT IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME THAT WE’RE HERE HAVING THIS DEBATE TODAY. H.R. 822 IS UNNECESSARY AND SERIOUSLY FLAWED PIECE OF LEGISLATION. THIS BILL OVERRIDES THE DECISIONS AND FORCES THEM TO RECOGNIZE CONCEALED CARRY GUN PERMITS FROM EVERY OTHER STATE. ALMOST EVERY STATE CURRENTLY ALLOWS CARRY PERMITS, BUT STATES DIFFER SUBSTANTIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MINIMUM AGE REQUIREMENTS, SOME STATES REQUIRE SAFETY TRAINING BEFORE RECEIVING A PERMIT. IN SOME STATES BAR PEOPLE CONVICTED OF CERTAIN CRIMES. THESE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY THE ELECTED LEGISLATORS OF THE STATES WHO DID SO WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE SPECIFIC NEEDS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES. THAT AND CREATES AN UNWORKABLE SYSTEM. UNDER THIS BILL STATES WITH STRONG GUN SAFETY LAWS SUCH AS NEW YORK, CALIFORNIA, MASSACHUSETTS, WOULD ALLOW OUT-OF-STATE VISITORS, POTENTIALLY AS YOUNG AS 18, TO WALK DOWN OUR STREETS ARMED AND DANGEROUS. THERE ARE STATES IN OUR NATION THAT DON’T REQUIRE A BACKGROUND CHECK BEFORE ISSUING A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. THERE ARE STATES IN OUR NATION THAT DON’T REQUIRE ANY FIREARM TRAINING BEFORE LETTING PEOPLE WALK AROUND WITH A CONCEALED WEAPON. THESE ARE DECISIONS THAT THOSE STATES MADE FOR THEMSELVES. I DON’T WANT THOSE DECISIONS IMPOSED UPON THE COMMUNITIES I REPRESENT AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYBODY ELSE. ALSO, POLICE OFFICERS WOULD BE FACED WITH A TASK OF ATTEMPTING TO DETERMINE THE AUTHORITY OF PERMITS FROM 48 OTHER STATES ON THE FLY AND A POTENTIALLY AND CERTAINLY IN INTENSE SITUATIONS. SIMPLY PUT, THIS BILL IS ANTICOMMUNITY, ANTISAFETY AND ANTIPLIT — ANTIPOLICE. AND FINALLY THE BILL ATTEMPTS TO
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NOT EXIST. SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT SIMPLY DOES MANY STATES HAVE CHOSEN TO ENTER INTO THESE AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER STATES TO HONOR EACH OTHER’S CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. NOTHING IS STOPPING A STATE FROM RECOGNIZING A PERMIT FROM ANY OTHER STATE. THE FACT THAT STATES HAVE NOT DONE SO REPRESENTS A DELIBERATE CHOICE, A DELIBERATE CHOICE TO ONLY ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH STATES THAT THEY FEEL HAVE THE PROPER APPROACH TO ISSUING A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE SECOND GUESSING THE DECISION OF THE STATES IN THIS MATTER. IT SADDENS ME BUT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME. WE ARE HERE TODAY DISCUSSING NOT HOW TO MAKE AMERICANS SAFER AND REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE, BUT INSTEAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO WEAKEN OUR GO GUN LAWS AND CONSIDER — OUR GUN LAWS AND CONSIDERING A BILL THAT TAKES LOCAL DECISION OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE LOCAL OFFICIALS. THE GUN MANUFACTURING LOBBY WILL TRY TO SAY OTHERWISE, BUT I FULLY SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION AS MY COLLEAGUE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE. I BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND I SUPPORT LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS. IT’S THE ABSENCE OF A PERFECT NONVIOLENT SOCIETY, HOWEVER, WE MUST MAKE LAWS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. I NOTICE FIRSTHAND, AFTER ALL, IT WAS WITH A MAN WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN THAT TOOK THE LIFE OF MY HUSBAND AND GRAVELY WOUNDED MY SON.
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1993. ON LONG ISLAND RAILROAD BACK IN NOW YOU MAY HEAR ARGUMENTS TODAY THAT — ABOUT INTERSTATE COMMERCE AS A JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS BILL. BUT THIS THIS BILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERSTATE COMMERCE. THIS BILL IS SIMPLY ABOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OVERRIDING A STATES’ LAWS ABOUT WHO CAN CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. YOU MAY ALSO HEAR COMPARISONS TO STATE-ISSUED DRIVER’S LICENSE, AGAIN, WHICH IS RECOGNIZED NATIONWIDE. IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE GUNS TO CARS, AS THE GUN LOBBY OFTEN LIKES TO DO, LET’S HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. CARS USE ARE AMONG THE MOST HEAVILY REGULATED CONSUMER PRODUCTS AND ACTIVITIES IN THE UNITED STATES, DUE TO THE SAFETY RISK THEY POSE. ONE THING THAT DOES SURPRISE ME, THOUGH, IS WHY SO MANY OF THE SUPPORTERS OF THIS BILL WHO HAVE BEEN SO VOCAL ABOUT DEFENDSING STATE RIGHTS IN THE PAST ARE NOW CHOOSING IN THIS INSTANCE TO TRAMPLE ON STATE RIGHTS. FEDERALISM DICTATES THAT SOME THINGS SHOULD REMAIN IN THE STATES AND SOME THINGS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. AND GOING BACK TO THE MATTER OF INTERSTATE COMMERCE, I’M SURE ALL AMERICANS WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE HOUSE ADDRESS INTERSTATE COMMERCE IN A MORE DIRECT WAY. WHICH IS GETTING THE AMERICANS BACK TO WORK AND GROWING COMET. WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO CREATE JOBS AND PREPARE THE NEXT GENERATION TO SUCCEED IN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY. INSTEAD WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO TRAMPLE ON STATES’ RIGHTS, WEAKEN GUN LAWS AND MAKE AMERICA LESS SAFE. ALL TO PLEASE OUR COUNTRY’S POWERFUL GUN LOBBY. SO AS I SAID, IT SADDENS ME BUT IT DOES NOT SURPRISE ME THAT WE’RE HAVING THIS DEBATE TODAY. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT UNDER WHICH STATES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROACTIVELY OP IN TO THE AGREEMENTS CALLED FOR BY H.R. 822. THE INTENT OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO ACQUIRE THAT STATES PASS LEGISLATION ENACTING THE PROVISIONS OF H.R. 822 BEFORE THE BILL CAN GO INTO EFFECT IN THAT STATE. THIS WOULD RESTORE STATE RIGHTS, SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN, AND I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT AND OPPOSE H.R. 822.
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THE GENTLELADY’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I POSE THE AMENDMENT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS AMENDMENT FRUSTRATES THE BASIC PURPOSE OF H.R. 822. IT REQUIRES THAT STATES PASS LEGISLATION TO IMPLEMENT THE BILL’S PROVISIONS. THE SUPREME COURT IN TWO RECENT CASES HAS RECOGNIZED A FUNDAMENTAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS THAT IS LARGELY BASED ON THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ONESSEL — ONE’S SELF AND ONE’S FAMILY.
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ONE’S HOME. VIOLENT CRIME OCCURS OUTSIDE THIS MEANS THAT FOR THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IN SELF-DEFENSE TO HAVE ANY MEANING, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WITH PERMIT CHICAGO CUBS ABLE TO CARRY FIREARMS OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES AND SOMETIMES ACROSS STATE BOUNDARIES. URNT — UNDER CURRENT LAW, 40 STATES HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT CAN BE CONFUSING FOR CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS TO NAVIGATE. H.R. 822 PROVIDES UNIFORMITY TO OUR CONCEALED CARRY LAWS, BY CREATING NATIONWIDE RECIPROCITY
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FOR CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDERS. BY CONTRAST, THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS STATES TO OPT OUT OF H.R. 822’S FEDERAL GRANTED RECIPROCITY AND IT PROVIDES THAT ONLY STATES THAT CHOOSE TO PASS LAWS IMPLEMENTING THE LEGISLATION MUST RECOGNIZE
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OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD IN EFFECT JUST CONTINUE THE STATUS QUO AND SO IT WOULD BE OF NO HELP TO INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. SINCE — SINCE 2004 POLICE OFFICERS HAVE ENJOYED THE RIGHT TO USE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT
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LINES. TO TAKE A FIREARM ACROSS STATE WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? I’D LIKE TO COMPLETE MY STATEMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS CONTROLS THE TIME. SINCE 2004 POLICE OFFICERS HAVE ENJOYED THE RIGHT TO USE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT TO TAKE A FIREARM ACROSS STATE LINES. AND IN 2010 PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED LEGISLATION TO INCLUDE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL WHO CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS ABILITY. IT IS IRONIC THAT SOME OF THESE GROUPS NOW WANT TO DENY THE SAME RIGHT TO LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. ACCORDING TO A 2009 POLL, 83% OF THOSE POLLED SAID THEY SUPPORTED CONCEALED CARRY LAWS. 83%. OVER FOUR MILLION AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE QUALIFIED FOR CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. THEY MOST LIKELY ENDORSE THIS LEGISLATION. I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NEW YORK MENTIONING STATES’
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EXPRESS THE SAME SENTIMENTS PREROGATIVES AND I HOPE SHE WILL ABOUT OTHER PIECES OF LEGISLATION. H.R. 822 RETAINS THE STATES’ ABILITY TO REGULATE FIRE NARMS THEIR OWN STATES BY MAKING CLEAR THAT ALL STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING HOW A FIREARM IS CARRIED CONTINUE TO APPLY TO BOTH RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS AND BY KEEPING IN PLACE THE STATES’ OWN PERMITTING PROCESS. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN OPPOSING THIS AMENDMENT AND I’LL YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF
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WILL THE MY TIME. GENTLEMAN YIELD? THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM
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NEW YORK. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE NOES HAVE IT. ON THAT I’D LIKE A RECORDED VOTE. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18 FURTHER FRODINGS — PROCEEDINGS ON THIS AMENDMENT WILL BE POSTPONED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER 3 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA RISE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. THE CLERK WILL DESSNAILT THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 3 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 11-283 OFFERED BY MR. HASTINGS OF FLORIDA. PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463, THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, MR. HASTINGS, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY AMENDMENT WOULD EXEMPT STATES FROM RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY WHEN THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE INDIVIDUALS TO APPLY FOR AND COMPLETE A CARRY PERMIT APPLICATION AT THEIR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT STATION. THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE BUSINESS OF STRIPPING STATES OF THE RIGHT TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER TO RECOGNIZE OTHER STATES’ PERMITS. STATES HAVE PUT FORWARD A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TRYING TO DETERMINE JUST WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR CITIZENRY IN REFERENCE TO SAFETY. BY OVERRIDING STATE-BASED CONCEAL CARRY LAWS AN FORCING STATES TO RECOGNIZE CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS FROM EVERY OTHER STATE, WE ARE PUTTING OUR STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GRAVE DANGER. TWO NIGHTS AGO, WITH THE SHERIFF IN MY COUNTY, WE DISCUSSED THIS MATTER. I MIGHT ADD A REPUBLICAN
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MINE. SHERIFF, WHO IS A FRIEND OF WE DISCUSSED THIS MATTER AND WE CONCLUDED THAT IT’S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO WANT TO BECOME POLICE OFFICERS, NOT ONLY ARE THEY BEING ATTACKED IN REFERENCE TO THEIR ORGANIZING EFFORTS, BUT NOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB. THIS AMENDMENT CLOSES THAT LOOPHOLE THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CREATED BY H.R. 8 2. ALMOST EVERY STATE ALLOWS CONCEAL CARRY IN SOME FORM. BUT STATES DIFFER IN HOW THEY IMPLEMENT THEIR CONCEAL CARRY POLICIES, INCLUDING HAVING, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, DIFFERENT AGE REQUIREMENTS, TRAINING REQUIREMENTS AND EXCLUDING INDIVIDUALS GUILTY OF CERTAIN CRIMES. ONE OF THESE MAJOR DISCREPANCIES IS ADDRESSED IN THIS AMENDMENT AND WILL FORCE A STATE WISHING TO ENFORCE H.R. 822 STATE RECIPROCITY REQUIREMENT TO MAKE CERTAIN CARRY PERMIT APPLICATIONS — MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE COMPLETED AT AN INDIVIDUAL’S LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT STATION. IN MY HOME STATE OF FLORIDA, CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS MAY BE GRANTED TO NONRESIDENTS AND ALL APPLICANTS ARE ALLOWED TO APPLY BY MAIL. IT IS SO EASY THAT A STAFFER IN ONE OF OUR OFFICES WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE THE FORM IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES. IF H.R. 822 PASSES, RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS OF FLORIDA WILL BE ABLE TO APPLY BY MAIL FROM ALMOST ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY AND USE THEIR CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. MR. SPEAKER, GUN VIOLENCE CONTINUES TO GROW AT ASTOUNDING LEVELS IN THE UNITED STATES. SURGEON GENERAL WAS MR. HATCHER, HE CALLED IT AN EPIDEMIC AND EVEN SAID IT WAS A HEALTH CRISIS, SO MANY PEOPLE WERE KILLING EACH OTHER WITH WEAPONS. WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? I WILL. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS AMENDMENT AND RISE IN SUPPORT OF IT AND OBSERVE THAT LAST YEAR, 70%, OVER 70% OF UTAH’S CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS WERE ISSUED TO NONRESIDENTS. AND SO I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ADD MY STATEMENT TO THE RECORD AND I COMMEND THE GENTLEMAN. THE
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COVERED — GENTLEMAN’S STATEMENT IS THE GENTLEMAN’S STATEMENT IS COVERED UNDER GENERAL LEAVE. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE — THE LAST THING WE NEED IS TO TELL SOVEREIGN STATES THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER FREE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO REQUIRE AN IN-PERSON INTERVIEW WHEN MAKING PERMIT DETERMINATION. AT LEAST 10 STATES GRANT LAW ENFORCEMENT BROAD DISCRETION TO DENY PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED, LOADED GUNS BASED ON AN APPLICANT’S RECORD OR OTHER FACTORS. 14 OTHER STATES GRANT MORE LIMITED DISCRETION. AT LEAST 14 STATES REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO SHOW GOOD MORAL CHARACTER. MANY OF THESE STATES REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN PERSON. FOR INTERVIEWS. FOR EXAMPLE, APPLICANTS IN NEW YORK MUST COMPLETE AN IN-PERSON INTERVIEW TO RECEIVE THEIR CARRY PERMIT. BY CONTRAST, UTAH APPLICANTS, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT BY THE RANKING MEMBER, CAN SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION BY MAIL AND CAN COMPLETE THE FINGERPRINTING AND FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE STATE. IN COMPARISON, UTAH’S DRIVER’S LICENSE APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES, AND RIGHTLY SO, THAT APPLICANTS SUBMIT THE APPLICATION IN PERSON THAT IT BE NOTE ARIZED AND THAT THE EMPLOYEE INITIAL THE APPLICATION UPON SUBMISSION. UTAH ALSO GRANTS PERMITS TO NONRESIDENTS, POTENTIALLY ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS NATIONWIDE TO APPLY FOR PERMITS BY MAIL. SUPPORTERS OF H.R. 822 CLAIM THAT COB SEAL CARRY PERMITS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE DRIVER’S LICENSES. MY AMENDMENT POINTS OUT, HOWEVER, THAT THIS IS YET
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ANOTHER INSTANCE OF MY FRIENDS’ HYPOCRISY. THE REST OF MY STATEMENT WILL BE INCLUDED AND I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE TIME. FOR
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RISE? WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE AMENDMENT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THIS WOULD GUT THE BILL. AS WRITTEN, IT ALLOWS A VISITOR TO CARRY A HANDGUN UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE BILL ONLY IN STATES THAT REQUIRE APPLICATIONS TO BE COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED IN PERSON. HOWEVER, FEW STATES HAVE SUCH A REQUIREMENT FOR NONRESIDENTS. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD CREATE UNNECESSARY CONFUSION. MR. CHABOT FEATHER FOR EXAMPLE, FLORIDA ACCEPT — FOR EXAMPLE, FLORIDA ACCEPTS APPLICATIONS BY MAIL BUT OTHER STATES DO NOT. A VIRGINIA RESIDENT WHO HELD A VALID PERMIT COULD CARRY A HANDGUN IN WASHINGTON, WHICH REQUIRES A PERSON TO APPLY IN PERSON, BUT NOT IN FLORIDA. IT IS POSSIBLE THE AMENDMENT WAS INTENDED TO ALLOW INTERSTATE CARRY ONLY FOR THOSE IN PERSON. THAT’S NOT HOW IT’S DRAFTED. EVEN IF IT WERE, IT WOULD STILL GUT THE BILL. ANY APPLICATIONS OR FINGERPRINTING REQUIREMENTS FOR A RESIDENT OR NONRESIDENT TO A CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT ARE IN ADDITION TO OTHER REQUIREMENTINGS, INCLUDING A NATIONAL INSTANT BACKGROUND CHECK THAT AN APPLICANT MUST GO THROUGH FIRST TO LEGALLY PURCHASE A GUN. DESPITE WHAT SOME OPPONENTS WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE, NOT EVERYONE WHO OWNS A GUN IS A CRIMINAL. AND IN FACT, THERE IS OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT CONCEALED CARRY LAWS HAVE RESULTED IN LOWER CRIME RATES IN MOST STATES. TYPICALLY, MOST CRIMINALS DON’T BOTHER WITH LEGALLY PURCHASING A GUN AND THEN MAKING SURE THEY HAVE A VALID PERMIT BEFORE THEY CARRY IT CONCEALED. THEY JUST DO IT. THAT’S WHY WE CALL THEM CRIMINALS. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT AND I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA’S TIME HAS EXPIRED.
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I YIELD BACK MY TIME. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. I REQUEST A RECORDED VOTE. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18, FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OF THE
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GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA WILL BE POSTPONED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. THE CLERK WILL DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. EARMENT NUMBER FOUR PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT,
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OFFERED BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS. THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS, MS. JACKSON LEE, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED, EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES. I AM HOPING THERE WILL BE NO MEMBER THAT WILL OPPOSE A COMMONSENSE AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO BE MORE PROTECTED. AS I POINT TO THIS POSTER OF A NURSE GIVING A SHOT, ONE MIGHT THINK I WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE DISCUSSION IF I PUT A PICTURE OF A POLICE BUT — POLICE OFFICER. BUT I USE THIS TO SHOW THAT A CHILD IS SQUINTING IN PAIN FOR AN IMMUNIZATION THAT WON’T HARM THEM BUT SOMEONE WHO STOLE SOMEONE’S GUN THAT COMES WITH THE NATIONAL CONCEAL LAW, MAY NOT HAVE A SQUINTING CHILD BUT A DEAD CHILD. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE LEGISLATION OR THE AMENDMENT THAT I HAVE IN REALTIME. A NORTH HARRIS POLICE OFFICER IN 2008 HAD A TRAFFIC. BEFORE HE WENT TO THIS INDIVIDUAL THAT HE WAS STOPPING, HE DUTYFULLY WENT TO A DATABASE TO FIND OUT WHO THIS MIGHT BE. TRAGICALLY, IT WAS NOT SOON ENOUGH BECAUSE A GUN WAS TAKEN AND HE WAS SHOT DEAD. HE LEAVES BEHIND A WIFE AND TWO CHILDREN. ALBEIT THE FACT THAT I HAVE A CHILD HERE, BECAUSE I’M SIMPLY TRYING TO CREATE A SIMPLE AMENDMENT TO THIS BILL THAT WOULD PROTECT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHAT DOES MY AMENDMENT DO? IT ENSURES A COMPREHENSIVE DATABASE IS CREATED TO PROVIDE A LISTING OF INDIVIDUALS FROM EACH STATE WHO POSSESS PERMITS
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AND LICENSES TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS. THIS WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE CONCEALED WEAPONS DATABASE BE AVAILABLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN ALL STATES 24 HOURS A DAY. THANK GOODNESS BECAUSE OF FEDERAL FUNDING MANY OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE LAPTOPS AND MAYBE IPADS. THIS DATABASE IS A SIMPLE PROCESS. IT IS INTERESTING, OR IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THAT 36 STATES ARE ESPECIALLY ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THIS BILL BECAUSE 36 STATES DO NOT GRANT ANY RECIPROCITY. 27 STATES RECOGNIZE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS FROM ONLY SELECT STATES. SO A 24-HOUR DATABASE, I BELIEVE, WOULD DO WHAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SAY THEY WANT TO DO. PROTECT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. FAILING TO IMPLEMENT A NATIONAL SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TO CHECK THE STATUS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO CARRY A CONCEALED GUN WOULD RESULT IN A ROUTINE SITUATION SUCH AS A TRAFFIC STOP BECOMING A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. IF AN OFFICER DISCOVERED A GUN IN A ROUTINE TRAFFIC STOP, THE OFFICER MIGHT QUICKLY AND
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ACCURATELY DETERMINE THIS GUY IS LEGAL. AS TO WHETHER THEY POSSESS A VALID OUT OF STATE PERMIT. YES, WE COULD OFFER RECIPROCITY BUT DOES THE OFFICER ON THE STREET WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT THE CAR COMING ACROSS THE BORDER OF THEIR STATE AND THE SIGN SAYS, WE HAVE RECIPROCITY, I’M FROM SUCH AND SUCH, I AM OK. IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE OFFICER TO CHECK THE VALIDITY OF 46 CARRY PERMITS. EVEN IF THAT PERSON IS LEGALLY CARRYING IT BASED ON A PERMIT FROM ANOTHER STATE. CORINGT THE MAJORITY’S REPORT, ONLY 18 STATES MAINTAIN AN ELECTRONIC DATABASE OF CONCEAL CARRY PERMITS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ACCESSIBLE TO OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. SEVEN STATES CAN’T APPLY THIS ACCESS TO OUT OF STATE AGENCIES AND TWO STATES DID NOT MAINTAIN
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A DATABASE FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES. THIS AMENDMENT GIVE OURS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT A PLAUSIBLE CHANCE TO VERIFY WHETHER OUT OF STATE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS ARE LEGITIMATE. I’D LOVE TO OFFER A MOMENT TO MY RANKING MEMBER. ON THIS AMENDMENT. THE GENTLELADY HAS REMAINING. I FULLY SUPPORT THE GENTLELADY’S APPROACH IN SUPPORTING A DATABASE. I PLEAD WITH MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN US IN THE BIPARTISAN SENSE TO SUPPORT AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD KEY ATE A COMPREHENSIVE MECHANISM SO THAT ALL PERMITS AND LICENSES FOR CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A 24-HOUR-A-DAY BASIS. I CONGRATULATE THE GENTLELADY ON HER AMENDMENT. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS KINDNESS. WHO CAN OPPOSE SUCH A SIMPLE AMENDMENT PARTICULARLY WHEN IT’S NOTED THAT SOME STATES DON’T HAVE THIS ELECTRONIC DATABASE. THE OFFICER WHO WENT TO HIS DISPATCHER WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING HE LOST HIS LIFE, LEFT BEHIND HIS CHILDREN. DO WE WANT SQUINTING CHILDREN
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DEAD CHILDREN. GETTING AN IMMUNIZATION SHOT OR I YIELD BACK. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN RISE?
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AMENDMENT. I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THIS SEEKS TO FORCE ALL STATES TO MAINTAIN A DATABASE. THIS AMENDMENT, ASIDE FROM BEING A VERSION OF NCIC FOR
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LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS IS UNNECESSARY. A NUMBER OF STATES MAKE THEIR DATABASES ACCESSIBLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THE INLET SYSTEM WHICH OFFICERS IN ALL 50 STATES CAN USE TO DETERMINE IF SOMEONE VISITTING FROM ANOTHER STATE IS LEGALLY CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. THIS IS AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY. THEY CAN USE A DATABASE TO DETERMINE IF A PERSON HAS A WARRANT OUT FOR THEIR ARREST, BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL FLAW OF THIS AMENDMENT IS THAT IT CONTINUES TO PLACE CONDITIONS AND RESTRAINTS ON LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS, ALL THE WHILE IGNORING THE OBVIOUS WHICH IS PEOPLE INTENT ON DOING HARM DO NOT REGISTER THEIR FIREARMS NOR CALL AHEAD TO REPORT THEIR TRAVEL SCHEDULE. NO DAY DA — DATABASE HAS JET BEEN CREATED THAT CAN DETERMINE IF A PERSON WITH A FIREARM
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INTENDS TO USE IT IN AN ILLEGAL MATTER. OFFICERS ARE TRAINED TO BE CAREFUL IN EVERY SITUATION AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TAKE NECESSARY PRECAUTIONS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THOSE ON THE SCENE OF AN INVESTIGATIVE STOP. THIS AMENDMENT, AS IS TRUE WITH MANY OTHER AMENDMENTS IS PREMISED ON THE FLAWED VIEW THAT CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT
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OWNERS POSE A THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. PEOPLE INTENT ON COMMITTING ILLEGAL ACTS WILL NOT GO TO THE TROUBLE OF OBTAINING A CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT AND STATISTICS BACK THAT UP.
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I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT AND I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. THE GENTLEMAN FROM — PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18 FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS WILL BE POST POBED — POSTPONED. THE CHAIR UNDERSTANDS THAT AMENDMENT NUMBER 5 WILL NOT BE OFFERED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER 6 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA RISE?
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AMENDMENT. THE CLERK WILL DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT NUMBER 6 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED BY MR. JOHNSON OF GEORGIA. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. JOHNSON, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES.
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GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE IN SUPPORT OF MY AMENDMENT TO THIS DANGEROUS BILL, THE NATIONAL RIGHT-TO-CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. MY AMENDMENT IS ABOUT PROTECTING A STATE’S RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO MAY CARRY A CONCEALED, LOADED HANDGUN WITHIN ITS BORDERS. IT WILL REQUIRE THE POSSESSION OR CARRY OF A CONCEALED HANDGUN IN A STATE BE SUBJECT TO THAT STATE’S LAW REGARDING FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING. INCLUDING LIVE FIRE EXERCISE. CURRENTLY AT LEAST 34 STATES REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO COMPLETE A FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING COURSE OR PRESENT PROOF OF THE EQUIVALENT EXPERIENCE IN ORDER
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PERMIT. TO OBTAIN A CONCEALED CARRY 19 STATES REQUIRE LIVE FIRE INSTRUCTION TO OBTAIN A CARRY PERMIT. ONLY REQUIRE MINIMUM TRAINING SUCH AS AN INTERNET-ONLY INSTRUCTION. EVEN WORSE, HOWEVER, ARE THE STATES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ANY FIREARM TRAINING TO OBTAIN A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. THIS BILL WOULD OVERRIDE STATE LAWS AND REQUIRE STATES TO ALLOW OUT-OF-STATE RESIDENTS TO CARRY LOADED, CONCEALED WEAPONS IN PUBLIC EVEN IF THEY HAVE NOT MET BASIC LICENSING OR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS MANDATED FOR CARRYING IN THAT STATE. THIS DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. BY FEDERALLY MANDATING RECOGNITION OF ALL OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMITS, H.R. 822 WOULD ALLOW INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT MEET A STATE’S LIVE FIREARM TRAINING STANDARDS TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS WITHIN THEIR BORDERS AND PROHIBITS STATES FROM EVER RESTRICTING INDIVIDUALS. ACCORDING TO THE VIOLENCE POLICY CENTER, SINCE MAY, 2007, AT LEAST 385 PEOPLE INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY INDIVIDUALS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. NONE OF THESE INCIDENCE INVOLVE SELF-DEFENSE. SOME OF THESE INCIDENCE INCLUDED MASS SHOOTINGS. THE MOST RECENT OCCURRING IN JULY AT A CHILD’S BIRTHDAY PARTY AT A TEXAS ROLLER RINK CLAIMING THE LIVES OF 89 INNOCENT VICTIMS. THIS ILLUSTRATES WHY STATES SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO’S ELIGIBLE TO CARRY FIREARMS WITHIN THEIR BORDERS. THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES. THIS BILL IS ALL ABOUT THE NATIONAL RIFFLE ASSOCIATION AND ITS NEEDS, NOT ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND PUTTING THEM BACK TO WORK. CONGRESS SHOULD NOT PUT ITS STAMP OF APPROVAL ON THIS DANGEROUS AND MISGUIDED LEGISLATION. THAT REQUIRE A PERSON TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO USE A FIREARM OR MEET MINIMUM TRAINING STANDARDS BEFORE OBTAINING A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO ALLOW OUT-OF-STATE VISITORS TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IF THEY DO NOT MEET THAT STATE’S CONCEALED LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. ESPECIALLY IF A STATE REQUIRES THAT INDIVIDUALS UNDERGO LIVE FIRE TRAINING TO ENSURE THEY KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY OPERATE A FIREARM. THIS IS COMMON SENSE, THIS IS A COMMONSENSE AMENDMENT AND IT WILL KEEP AMERICANS SAFE. IT SIMPLY WOULD REQUIRE THE POSSESSION OR CARRYING OF A CONCEALED HANDGUN IN A STATE BE SUBJECT TO THAT STATE’S LAW REGARDING FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING, INCLUDING LIVE FIRE EXERCISES. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT AND OPPOSE THE UNDERLYING BILL. THANK YOU AND I’LL RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS
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FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE TIME. GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS
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AMENDMENT ALLOWS STATES TO PROHIBIT NONRESIDENTS FROM CARRYING A CONCEALED FIREARM IF THEY DID NOT TAKE PART IN A FIREARM SAFETY CLASS THAT INCLUDED A LIVE FIRE EXERCISE AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER INSERT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO THE STATES’ CONCEALED PERMITTING PROCESS. H.R. 822 BY CONTRAST PROTECTS EACH STATE’S ABILITY TO SET ITS OWN ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. 37 STATES REQUIRE SOME DEGREE OF FIREARMS STRAINING — TRAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA’S HOME STATE, INTERESTINGLY, DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY TRAINING AND THUS UNDER THIS AMENDMENT ITS CITIZENS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FEDERAL GRANT OF RECIPROCITY PROVIDED BY H.R. 822. THE STATES CARRY OUT THEIR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. SOME STATES ALLOW — ALLOW APPLICANTS TO CERTIFY THEIR PROFICIENCY THROUGH CLASSROOM TRAINING WHILE OTHER STATES RECOGNIZE PRIOR MILITARY AND POLICE SERVICE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. VIRGINIA, FOR EXAMPLE, PROVIDES
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EIGHT DIFFERENT WAYS TO MEET THE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS. THIS AMENDMENT IS SILENT ON A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT ISSUES. IS PRIOR MILLARY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE LIVE FIRE REQUIREMENT? DOES AN APPLICANT NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS TRAINING EACH TIME THEY RENEW THEIR PERMIT OR IS IT SUFFICIENT TO HAVE COMPLETED THE COURSE THE FIRST TIME THEY APLAYED? THESE AMBIGUITIES GIVE US MORE REASON TO OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT. WE KNOW THAT CONCEALED CARRY LAWS DO REDUCE CRIME. A STUDY BY — A STUDY FOUND THAT WHEN CONCEALED CARRY LAWS WENT INTO EFFECT, MURDERS FELL BY OVER 7% AND RAPES AND AGGRAVATED
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ASSAULTS FELL BY 5% AND 7% RESPECTFULLY. THESE FIND VGS BEEN CONFIRMED BY — THESE FINDINGS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY 18 OTHER STUDIES BUT NONE HAVE FOUND THAT CONCEALED CARRY INCREASES CRIME. THE BENEFIT OF CONCEALED CARRY LAWS SHOULD NOT BE MEASURED ONLY BY THE INSTANCES OF SELF-DEFENSE, BUT ALSO BY THE NUMBER OF CRIMES THAT ARE PREVENTED FROM OCCURRING IN THE FIRST PLACE. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT AND I’LL RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN
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RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA HAS ONE MINUTE REMAINING.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH MY COLLEAGUE FROM TEXAS, CHAIRMAN SMITH. THIS LEGISLATION DOES IN FACT INSERT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO STATE LICENSING OF FIREARMS AND IT DOES IT IN A BIG WAY. IT ACTUALLY EVISCERATES THE STATES’ ABILITY TO REGULATE HOW OR THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR APPLICANTS TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. EARLIER, 34 STATES REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO COMPLETE A FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING COURSE. UNFORTUNATELY GEORGIA DOES NOT. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT IS RIGHT. OR PROPER. I BELIEVE THAT OTHER STATES CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A MORE CONSCIENTIOUS APPROACH TO GUN LICENSING AND CERTAINLY STATES HAVE HAD A RIGHT TO DO THAT AND I WANT TO PRESERVE THAT RIGHT AND SO WITH THAT I’LL YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME
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HAS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS.
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD MYSELF THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM GLAD THAT THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA AGREES WITH ME THAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES INSERT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTO THE STATES’ CONCEALED CARRY PERMITTING PROCESS. AND I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT THAT ADMISSION AND THE FACT THAT THAT IS ENOUGH REASON TO OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT.
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I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT
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GEORGIA. OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I REQUEST A RECORDED VOTE. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18 FURD PROCEEDINGS WILL BE POSTPONED. — FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WILL BE POSTPONED. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES — OH, IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER 7 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE SEEK RECOGNITION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. AMENDMENT NUMBER 7 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED PLI ABOUT — OFFERED BY MR. COHEN OF TENNESSEE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE, MR. COHEN, AND A
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FIVE MINUTES. MEMBER OPPOSED WILL EACH CONTROL THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BEFORE I CAME TO CONGRESS I WAS A MEMBER OF THE TENNESSEE SENATE FOR PROBABLY AN IN ORDER ANT.
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A YEARS BEFORE I GRAD TO THIS AUGUST BODY. IT TOOK ME 24 YEARS TO MATRICULATE. DURING THOSE 24 YEARS I WORKED ON MUCH IMPORTANT LEGISLATION TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF TENNESSEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HELPED THE PEOPLE OF TENNESSEE WITH IS I WROTE THE RIGHT-TO-CARRY BILL IN TENNESSEE. THE FACT IS THIS WAS A DIFFICULT BILL TO PASS, IT WAS A DIFFICULT BILL TO CRAFT. THERE WERE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT
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OPINIONS OF WHAT SHOULD BE IN THE BILL. AND WE DEBATED IT AND WE WANT BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT SHOULD BE IN IT AND TOOK VOTES AND CERTAIN THINGS PASSED AND CERTAIN FAILED AND WE CAME UP WITH A BILL THAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD BILL. I ALWAYS FELT THAT PEOPLE WHO COULD TAKE A GUN AND HAVE ENOUGH VISION AND CALMNESS OF HAND AND HIT A TARGET AT SOME PACE, NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD AND PASS A WRITTEN TEST OF LIMITED CHALLENGE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN. AND IN FACT IN TENNESSEE VERY FEW PEOPLE WITH THE RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN HAVE COMMITTED
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CRIMES AND USED THEIR GUNS IMPROPERLY. BUT THE FACT IS WE WORKED ON THIS LAW AND WE HAD CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS AND ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS IS YOU HAD TO BE 21 YEARS OF AGE. 21 YEARS OF AGE. SAME AGE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO BUY A BEER. OR TO DRINK. AND 36 OTHER STATES CAME TO THAT SAME DECISION, THAT YOU SHOULD BE 21 BEFORE YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO CARRY A GUN. EIGHT STATES HAVE DIFFERED. EIGHT STATES. ALABAMA, DELAWARE, INDIANA, IOWA, MAINE, MONTANA, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTH DAKOTA. SO YOU’VE GOT A SOUTHERN STATE IN THERE, YOU’VE GOT AN EASTERN STATE, A COUPLE OF BIG TEN’S, A COUPLE UP IN THE BIG SKY WORLD AND SOME OF THE EAST AND THEY DECIDED YOU ONLY HAD TO BE 18, THOSE EIGHT STATES. THIS BILL IF PASSED WOULD TELL THE CITIZENS OF THOSE 37 STATES AND THE LEGISLATORS IN THOSE 37 STATES THAT ARGUED AND DETERMINED THAT 21 WAS THE RIGHT AGE THAT IT WOULD BE THE RIGHT AGE IN YOUR STATE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RESIDENTS OF YOUR STATE BUT IF SOMEBODY FROM ONE OF THOSE OTHER EIGHT STATES CAME INTO YOUR STATE AND WAS LESS THAN 21, THEY COULD CARRY A GUN CITIZENS COULDN’T. BECAUSE THEIR STATE DECIDED 18 WAS SUFFICIENT, YOUR LAWS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE. AND YOU’D HAVE TEENAGERS CARRYING GUNS IN STATES THAT HAD DETERMINED THAT IT WAS NOT THE APPROPRIATE AGE. 21’S THE RIGHT AGE TO DRINK. AND I’M NOT SUBMITTING IT SHOULD BE LESS AT THIS TIME. BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE BRAIN DOESN’T REALLY DEVELOP TO A CERTAIN EXTENT UNTIL YOU’RE OUT OF YOUR TEENS AND THAT’S WHY MUCH OF THE VIOLENT CRIME IS
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20. COMMITTED BY PEOPLE AGE 18 TO THEY’RE ONLY 5% OF THE POPULATION BUT 20% OF THE HOMICIDES AND VIOLENT CRIME ARE
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20. COMMITTED FROM PEOPLE AGE 18 TO IF YOU PASS THIS BILL, YOU’LL HAVE PEOPLE 18-20 GOING INTO STATES AND HAVING A RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN WHEN THE CITIZENS OF THAT STATE WON’T HAVE IT. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. IN 2007 THE MOST RECENT YEAR IN WHICH WE HAVE DATA, THERE WERE 13,000 PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN THIS COUNTRY TO ACCIDENTS INVOLVING ALCOHOL. BUT THERE WERE 31,000 PEOPLE, OVER TWICE AS MANY, WHO LOST THEIR LIVES BECAUSE OF GUNFIRE. IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE THAT WE WOULD NOT ONLY TRAMPLE ON THE LAWS OF THE DIFFERENT STATES AND THE WORKS OF THE LEGISLATURES SUCH AS ME WHO WORKED HARD WITHIN THE LEGISLATIVE BODIES, WITHIN THE GIVE AND TAKE OF SENATE AND HOUSE, AND CONFERENCE COMMITTEES TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE POLICY OF OUR STATE, TO HAVE THAT OVERRID BIN THE FOLKS HERE IN THIS UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, THE SENATE WOULD BE CONCURRING TO PASS A BILL TO SAY, YOUR LAWS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AND 18-YEAR-OLDS AND 20-YEAR-OLDS FROM THOSE STATES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO YOUR STATE AND CARRY A GUN WHEN YOUR CITIZENS WON’T BE ABLE TO. IT SHOULD BE UP TO EACH OF THE STATES TO DECIDE THAT. AND WHAT WE’RE GETTING TO IS THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR WHICH ISN’T RIGHT. THE FACT IS, THESE LAWS SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE STATES, THE STATES RIGHT NOW CAN’T HAVE RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS. TENNESSEE DIDN’T HAVE ONE WHEN WE PASSED OUR BILL IN 1996 BUT IN 2003 THEY GOT ONE. BUT THE STATE OF TENNESSEE DECIDED ON ITS RECIPROCITY, NOT THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. STATES HAVE RECIPROCITY AGREEMENTS AND THEY’RE ALL GOING TO BE OVERRIDDEN. SOME ARE MORE LIBERAL THAN OTHER, TENNESSEE’S THE MOST LIBERAL, BUT OTHER STATES HAVE GOT RESTRICTIONS. THEY’RE ALL GOING TO BE SET ASIDE BECAUSE OF THIS. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE MEMBERS WHO COME FROM THE 37 STATES THAT REQUIRE YOUR CITIZENS TO BE 21 WOULD NOT ALLOW PEOPLE UNDER 21 TO COME INTO YOUR STATE AND HAVE TEENAGERS WHO ARE MOST LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS, TO COME IN TO YOUR STATE WITH A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.
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WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD TO ME? I YIELD TO THE
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DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. THANK YOU. YOUR EXPERIENCE IN YOUR STATE LEGISLATURE AND YOUR LEGAL EXPERIENCE REALLY HAVE IMPRESSED ME THAT YOUR AMENDMENT, WE HAVEN’T TALKED ABOUT THIS TODAY ON THE 822, IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN WITH YOU AND I’M GOING TO, AT THE PROPER TIME, INTRODUCE MY STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU, SIR. HAS MY TIME EXPIRED? THE GENTLEMAN’S TIME HAS EXPIRED. I YIELD BACK THE REMAINING OF MY TIME. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN RISE?
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AMENDMENT. I AM OPPOSED TO THE THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THIS PREVENTS THOSE BETWEEN 18 AND 21 FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE REPIS — RECIPROCITY LAW. PEOPLE OF 18 CAN SERVE IN THE MILITARY. FEWER THAN 10 STATES PROHIBIT A PERSON UNDER 21 FROM CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON, SEVERAL HAVE EXCEPTIONS. SEVERAL STATES RECOGNIZE RECIPROCITY EVEN FOR THOSE THAT PERMIT THOSE BETWEEN 18 AND 21. AS MANY AS 10 ADDITIONAL STATES RECOGNIZE 18-YEAR-OLD PERMIT HOLDERS FROM OTHER STATES. MR. CHAIRMAN, AMERICA TRUSTS OUR BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN UNDER THE AGE OF 21 TO VOLUNTEER FOR DUTY AND DEFEND OUR COUNTRY. WHAT THIS AMENDMENT SAYS, HOWEVER IS YOU CAN CARRY A GUN AND DEFEND THIS COUNTRY OVERSEAS, BUT YOU CAN’T CARRY A GUN AND DEFEND YOURSELF ONCE YOU GET BACK. THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT, NOR IS IT REFLECTIVE OF OUR VIEWS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT 18-YEAR-OLDS
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CAN AND SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO. WHAT IS GOOD ENOUGH TO DEFEND THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS REPUBLIC AND US, I HASTEN TO ADD, SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO DEFEND — WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD FOR A QUESTION? I’M HAPPY TO YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE. MR. COHEN P.C. BASED ON YOUR ARGUMENT, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE STATES, THAT THE 37 STATES’ LAWS THAT LIMIT GUN OWNER PERMITS TO THE AGE OF 21 SHOULD BE ABOLISHED. WHY DOES YOUR LEGISLATION NOT GO FURTHER AND TRAMPLE ON STATES’ RIGHTS AND SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A LIMITATION OF AGE 18 AND SAY YOU CANNOT HAVE A LIMITATION OF AGE 21? THE ONLY THING THIS DEBATE TODAY HAS DONE FOR ME IS TELL ME MY COLLEAGUES ON THE’RE AISLE KNOW ABOUT STATES’ RIGHTS. WHY ARE WE TREATING THE SECOND AMENDMENT LIKE IT IS IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL TRASH HEAP? WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT YOUR BELIEF IS OBVIOUSLY THAT EA SECOND AMENDMENT IS AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT SO THE STATES
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21 SHOULD BE ABOLISHED. THAT HAVE LAWS THAT SHOULD BE I HAVE TALKED ABOUT STATES RIGHTS ON MEDICAL TORT LIABILITY, I’VE TALKED ABOUT STATES’ RIGHTS ON MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND FOUND NOBODY ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE GENTLEMAN IS RIGHT, HE HAS MENTIONED STATES’ RIGHTS WHICH PUTS HIM IN A VERY LONELY POSITION ON HIS SIDE OF THE AISLE. WITH THAT, I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE NOES HAVE IT. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18, FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE
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BE POSTPONED. GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE WILL IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. THE CLERK WILL DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283.
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OFFERED BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS. PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463, THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS, MS. JACKSON LEE, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS. I THANK YOU
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CHAIRMAN. FOR YOUR COURTESIES, MR. I’M DELIGHTED TO HAVE SEEN MY GOOD FRIEND ENGAGE IN A DIALOGUE AND COLLOQUY WITH MY FRIEND FROM TENNESSEE AND MAYBE I MIGHT EVEN GET THE SAME COURTESY BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT ALSO DEALS WITH CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS AND I’M BACK WITH MY YOUNG MAN GETTING HIS IMMUNIZATION SHOT WITH A NURSE LOOKING OVER HIM BECAUSE I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THIS IS ABOUT FAMILY. IT’S ABOUT THE FACT OF WHETHER OR NOT WE MAKE A STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF PROTECTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, PROTECTING OUR FAMILIES, AND NOT FALL UPON THE SPEAR OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT
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AND THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. TO MY RANKING MEMBER AND DEAR FRIEND, EVEN THE SUPERCOMMITTEE IS NOT WITHOUT GHOSTS RIDING THROUGH. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAD A DEAL
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AND THEN MR. NORQUIST COMES RIDING THROUGH. WHENEVER WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER ON THE N.R.A., EXCUSE ME, GETTING TOGETHER ON GUNS AND THE SEND AMENDMENT, THE N.R.A. COMES RIDING THROUGH. WE HAVE GOT THE N.R.A. AND MR. NORQUIST AND CAN’T GET ANY
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BIPARTISANSHIP BECAUSE THE GHOSTS KEEP RIDING THROUGH.
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MY AMENDMENT IS A VERY SIMPLE ONE. IT SPEAKS TO, AGAIN, PROTECTING THE LIVES OF OUR OFFICERS AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, TO THE STATES, HAVING THE STATE HAVE A DESIGNATED ENTITY, A DESIGNATED AGENCY THAT REQUIRES AN INDIVIDUAL COMING INTO ANOTHER STATE WITH A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT MUST PROVIDE AT LEAST 24 HOURS ADVANCE NOTICE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OF THEIR INTENTION TO CARRY OR POSSESS A
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CONCEALED HANDGUN IN ANOTHER STATE. STATES MUST RETAIN THEIR ABILITY TO KNOW WHICH INDIVIDUALS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THIS NEWLY PROPOSED BILL TO
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POSSESS AND CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. MY FRIEND ENGAGED IN ME A DIALOGUE, THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, DID NOT ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION BUT JUST IMAGINE A TROOPER WITH A TRAFFIC STOP ON, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I-45 IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. IT COULD BE I-95 IN MARYLAND, AT 3:00 A.M.
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PLATE. THE CAR HAS A COLORADO LICENSE THE DRIVER SUPPLIES A COLORADO DELIVERS LICENSE. THE STATE TROOPER GOES BACK TO HIS CAR, HE CAN INSTANTLY VALIDATE THIS PERSON IS FROM COLORADO, WITH RESPECT TO THEIR LICENSE PLATE AND LICENSE. UPON RRNING TO THE CAR, THE TROOPER NOTICES HE HAS A CONDITION SEALED WEAPON ON HIS HIP. THE DRIVER HANDS OVER HIS CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT. THE TROOPER HAS NO WAY TO VALIDATE THAT. IF THEY HAD HAD TO VERIFY THAT, IT WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE. I HEARD ABOUT THE INLET PROCESS. ONLY 12 STATES HAVE ALLOWED ELECTRONIC ACCESS TO THEIR CONCEALED CARRY DATABASE KNOWN AS INLET. IT DOES NOT RESPOND IN ESSENCE TO THE OTHER 38 STATES. MY FRIENDS, WE ARE RECKLESSLY PASSING A BILL THAT WE THINK IS SORELY NEEDED. IT DOES NOT IN ANY WAY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH JOBS, IT DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO PROTECT INNOCENT CHILDREN, IT DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MAKING SURE LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE SAFE.
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I’M ADDING AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE IT BETTER. LET’S KNOW WHEN YOU’RE COMING INTO OUR STATE, LET’S LET OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT KNOW, LET’S PROVIDE SAFETY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA RISE?
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I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE AMENDMENT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. THIS AMENDMENT IS BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT ANYONE WHO POSSESSES A GUN, INCLUDING AN AMERICAN WHO LEGALLY PURCHASES A GUN IS A CRIMINAL AND MUST SEEK PERMISSION TO EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THOSE WHO HARBOR CRIMINAL INTENTIONS TO CALL AHEAD AND LET US KNOW THEIR PLANS. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WOULD LET US KNOW WHICH STORE THEY’RE GOING TO ROB, WHICH HOME THEY’RE GOING TO INVADE, WHICH CAR THEY’RE GOING TO STEAL. THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN. TO REQUIRE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS
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THE MIND. TO HAVE TO CALL AHEAD BOGGLES DO WE CALL AHEAD AND RESERVE OUR MIRANDA RESERVATIONS? DO WE NEED TO TELL THEM WHICH BE TRAVELING ON AND WHO DO THEY CALL AND WHAT DO THEY TELL THEM? DO THEY DESCRIBE THE GUN? TELL THEM WHAT CALIBER? WHAT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION? DOES ANYONE THINK CRIMINALS EVER CALL AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE THEIR INTENTIONS? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF A PERSON
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CHAIRMAN? FAILS TO PROVIDE NOTICE, MR. WHAT IS THE DESIGNATED LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY EXPECTED TO DO WITH THIS INFORMATION? MAINTAIN A DATABASE OF ALL ENTERING NONRESIDENTS, TRACK THEIR MOVEMENT INSIDE THE STATE? SHOULD A NONRESIDENT WITH A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT ENGAGE IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS THE
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IT? STATE LIABLE FOR NOT PREVENTING WOULD A PERSON WHO LIVES IN MARYLAND BUT WORKS IN VIRGINIA BE REQUIRED TO CALL EVERY DAY, MR. CHAIRMAN? AND WHAT IF IT’S AN EMERGENCY TRIP, THE BIRTH OF A GRANDCHILDREN, A SICKNESS IN THE FAMILY. DO WE JUST POSTPONE OUR TRIP TO
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AMENDMENT? MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS OR TO WE SACRIFICE OUR RIGHT TO TRAVEL IN SELF-DEFENSE BECAUSE WE DIDN’T CALL QUICK ENOUGH? THIS IS A PRACTICAL NIGHTMARE, IT’S A CONSTITUTIONAL ABOMINATION, I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE IT AND I YIELD TO MY FRIEND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE GENTLELADY FROM FLORIDA, MRS. ADAMS. THE GENTLELADY IS RECOGNIZED. RESERVING TIME. I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS HAS ONE AND A HALF MINUTES REMAINING. I’M SO GLAD MY DEAR FRIEND ROSE TO SPEAK TO THE FEW PHENOMENON OF APPLES AND ORANGES. I AM NOT CODDLING CRIMINALS. WE KNOW THIS IS A DISTINCTIVE BILL THAT IS NOT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF CRIMINALS WHO COME TO DO US HARM. WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT IS THAT GUNS KILL. WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE USE GUNS TO KILL. ON THAT LONELY DARK ROAD AT 3:00 A.M., WHEN THAT TROOPER ADECENT FIS YOUR DELIVERS LICENSE BUT CAN’T IDENTIFY OR NOT YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT, THEN WE ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO HAVE HELP. WE’RE ASKING FOR THERE TO BE 24-HOUR NOTIFICATION. I’M SURE THERE WILL BE THE POSSIBILITY OF WAIVERS, BUT DON’T TELL ME THAT A LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY, ONCE KNOWING THEY THEY CAN GO TO THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HAS THE NOTIFICATION THAT SOMEONE IS COMING IN FROM ANOTHER STATE WITH A CONCEALED WEAPON WILL NOT BE USEFUL. IN FACT, IT WILL HELP. IT WILL HELP THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TELL THIS INDIVIDUAL CARRYING LEGALLY ON YOUR WAY SIR, ON YOUR WAY, MA’AM, THANK YOU. OR IN ESSENCE, WE MIGHT CATCH SOMEONE WITH A CONCEALED WEAPON AND PERMIT FROM ANOTHER STATE BUT THEY’RE RUSHING ACROSS THE STATE TO GET A WIFE OR A HUSBAND THAT THEY’RE IN A VIOLENT DOMESTIC ABUSE OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ALTERCATION. AND SO LET ME JUST SAY FOR ALL OF THE LAFFERS, GUNS KILL. — LAUGHERS, GUNS KILL. IT IS A SHAME WE ALLOW THE GHOST OF THE N.R.A. TO RIDE
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COMMON SENSE. INTO THIS PLACE AND SMACK DOWN SAVE THE LIVES OF CHILDREN, BECAUSE GUNS KILL. SAVE THE LIVES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO LEAVE BEHIND CHILDREN, BECAUSE GUNS KILL, AND DON’T FOOL AROUND WITH THE INLET PROCESS THAT DOESN’T EVEN WORK. LET’S NOTIFY. LET’S NOTIFY. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE NOES HAVE IT. I REQUEST THE YEAS AND NAYS. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18, FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS ARE POSTPONED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-218. AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283, OFFERED BY MR. CICILLINE OF RHODE ISLAND. THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND, MR. CICILLINE, AND A MEMBER OPPOSED, EACH WILL CONTROL FIVE MINUTES. AS A MEMBER OF THE BIPARTISAN MAYORS BOARD, I RIDES IN OPPOSITION TO THE RECIPROCITY ACT. IT UNDERMINES THE ABILITY OF STATES AND LOCALITIES TO REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE BY LIMITING THE CARRYING OF LOADED, CONCEALED WEAPONS IN THEIR BORDERS. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HONORING THE SECOND AMENDMENT BUT DISHONORS THE RIGHTS OF LOCAL COMMUNITIES AN STATE GOVERNMENTS TO MAKE DECISIONS TO PROTECT THE WELL BEING AND SAFETY OF THEIR CITIZENS. THIS BILL PREVENTS STATES FROM RESPONDING TO THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEY DETERMINE THE ELIGIBLE CRITERIA FOR CARRYING A LOADED, CONCEALED WEAPON, AND INSTEAD FORCES THEM TO ACCEPT STANDARDS
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AS A RESULT, THIS BILL STRIPS SET IN OTHER STATES. AWAY REASONABLE LIMITATIONS, PROPERLY ENACTED BY STATES, AND IMPOSES UPON EVERY STATE EXEMPT ILLINOIS THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE STANDARD IN THE COUNTRY FOR CARRYING A CONCEALED, LOADED GUN. THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS BILL ARE DRASTIC. AND A RADICAL DEPARTURE FROM
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THAT ASSIGNS PRIMARY WELL-SETTLED PRACTICE AND LAW RESPONSIBILITY FOR PUBLIC
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LOCALITIES. SAFETY TO STATES AND IN RHODE ISLAND AND IN MANY STATES LIKE IT THIS BILL WOULD DECIMATE THE STRONG CONCEAL CARRY FRAMEWORK DEVELOPED BY
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DULY ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE STATE. THESE OFFICIALS ENACT THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY BELIEVE MOST EFFECTIVELY PREVENT DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS FROM CARRYING A CON SEALED FIREARM WITHIN THEIR BORDERS. OUR HEIGHTENED STANDARDS REQUIRE APPLICANTS TO BE AT LEAST 21 YEARS OLD, OF GOOD CHARACTER, NOT AN ABUSER OF ALCOHOL, TO COMPLETE A FIREARM SAFETY TRAINING COURSE THAT INCLUDES LIVE FIRE EXAMINATION AND TO SHOW GOOD CAUSE FOR NEEDING A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. TO FURTHER PROVIDE FOR OUR UNIQUE PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS, IT PROVIDES BROAD DISCRETION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS IN APPROVING OR DENYING A PERMIT. AS A RESULT WE’RE NOT — RHODE ISLAND RANKS AMONG THE STATES WITH THE LOWEST GUN DEATH RATE, LESS THAN HALF THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. THUNDERSTORM BILL, RHODE ISLAND WOULD BE FORCED TO RECOGNIZE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS FROM ALL STATES, REGARDLESS OF HOW LAX THE OTHER STATES’ STANDARDS. THIS WOULD LEAD MY FELLOW RHODE ISLANDERS SUBJECT TO THE WHIMS OF OTHER STATES’ CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS AND ACTUALLY PRIORITIZE THE RIGHTS OF OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED CARRIER PERMIT HOLDERS
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ISLANDERS. OVER THE RIGHTS OF OUR OWN RHODE WHILE RHODE ISLAND REQUIRES SAFETY TRAINING THAT INCLUDES THE LIVE FIRE EXAMINER TO CARRY, THERE ARE 10 STATES WITH NO TRAINING WHATSOEVER. WHILE RHODE ISLAND — ONLY 28
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PLACE. STATES HAVE SUCH A STANDARD IN THE COMMONSENSE PROVISIONS OF RHODE ISLAND STATE LAW AND THE LAWS OF SIMILARLY SITUATED STATES PREVENT DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS FROM CARRYING LOADED, CONCEALED WEAPONS. SUCH PROTECTIONS WOULD BE COMPLETELY UNDERMINED BY THIS LAW. THIS BILL IS A CLEAR AND UNDENIABLE THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND WILL FACILITATE A NEW PATH THAT ALLOWS MORE AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS TO CARRY CONCEALED LOADED GUN WITNESS OUR BORDERS AND AGAINST OUR WILL. THIS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED. BECAUSE THIS BILL PRESENTS SUCH AN INDISPUTABLE THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY IN MANY STATES I’VE INTRODUCED THIS AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THAT AT THE VERY LEAST PRIOR TO GRANTING RECIPROCITY IN A STATE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE HEAD OF THE STATE POLICE AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE JOINTLY CERTIFY THAT THE LAWS OF A NONRESIDENT PERMANENT HOLDER
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STATE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO ITS OWN. THIS WOULD PROVIDE STATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE ADHERENCE TO ITS CORE REQUIREMENTS, THAT RESTRICT CONCEALED CARRYING WEAPONS BUT NOT ALLOW THEM TO DENY PERMITS FROM STATES THAT MATCH ITS STANDARDS. IT WOULD ADD A MINIMUM AND — IT WOULD AT A MINIMUM ENSURE THAT WE RESPECT THE DECISIONS MADE BY STATE GOVERNMENTS ON THIS KEY PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS WILL NOT BE BURDENSOME TO STATES. SOME STATES INCLUDING SOUTH DAKOTA AND NEBRASKA ALREADY INCORPORATE THIS TYPE OF PROCESS
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ENGAGING IN RECIPROCITY IN DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER STATES. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT MY AMENDMENT AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR THE — FROM THE IMPOSITION OF DANGEROUSLY LAX STANDARDS FOR THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED WEAPONS IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE DECISION OF LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS CHARGED WITH PROTECTING THE LIVES AND SAFETY OF THEIR CITIZENS. I RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY
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THE GENTLEMAN TIME. RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS
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FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE TIME. GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I OPPOSE THE AMENDMENT. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ONE OF THREE AMENDMENTS UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY THAT WOULD ALLOW THE STATES TO OPT OUT OF THE NATIONWIDE CONCEALED CARRY
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ESTABLISH. SYSTEM THAT H.R. 822 SEEKS TO THIS UNDERMINES THE BILL’S GOAL OF CREATING NATIONAL UNIFORMITY IN OUR CONCEALED CARRY LAWS. THIS AMENDMENT PROVIDES THAT EVERY STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HEAD OF POLICE AND SECRETARY OF STATE MUST CERTIFY THAT THE CONCEALED CARRY ELIGIBILITY LAWS OF EVERY OTHER STATE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THEIR OWN BEFORE THE STATE CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS LEGISLATION’S GRANT OF RECIPROCITY. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY INTENDED TO BE OVERLY BURDENSOME BOTH TO THOSE WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS AND TO THE STATES THEMSELVES. IT IS ALSO SIMPLY A WAY FOR STATE OFFICIALS WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS TO DECIDE THAT THEIR STATE WILL NOT RECOGNIZE OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. THE AMENDMENT ALSO INCORRECTLY ASSUMES THAT THERE ARE CRITICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE STATES’ ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. EACH STATE HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT THOSE WITH A PROPENSITY TOWARD VIOLENCE ARE NOT GRANTED A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. EVERY STATE CONDUCTS A THOROUGH BACKGROUND CHECK SO THAT UNQUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM. THE ELIGIBILITY STANDARDS USED BY THE STATES ARE MORE SIMILAR THAN NOT. THE FACT THAT THERE MAY BE SMALL DIFFERENCES AMONG THE STATES’ ELIGIBILITY LAWS SHOULD NOT ALLOW A STATE TO PROHIBIT THE EXERCISE OF SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES. ALSO, FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS GOVERNING THE PURCHASE OF A FIREARM MUST BE COMPLIED WITH BEFORE A PERSON CAN EVEN APPLY FOR A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. IN ORDER TO PURCHASE A FIREARM OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE RECIPROCITY EXTENDED BY H.R. 822, A PERSON CONVICTED OF A FELONY OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MISDEMEANOR CANNOT LEGALLY PURCHASE A FIREARM UNDER FEDERAL LAW. A PERSON MUST ALSO BE CLEARED THROUGH THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION’S NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM BEFORE THEY CAN PURCHASE A FIREARM. DATA FROM THE F.B.I.’S ANNUAL UNIFORM CRIME REPORT SHOWS THAT RIGHT-TO-CARRY STATES, THOSE THAT WIDELY ALLOW CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS, HAVE 22% LOWER TOTAL VIOLENT CRIME RATES, 30% LOWER MURDER RATES, 46% LOWER ROBBERY RATES AND 12% LOWER AGGRAVATED ASSAULT RATES AS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS THE CURRENT PATCHWORK OF CONCEALED CARRY LAWS TO CONTINUE AND IGNORES THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS GUARANTEED BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT. FOR THOSE REASONS I OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT AND I’LL RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN
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RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN HAS 30 SECONDS
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JUST VERY REMAINING. QUICKLY, THE PURPOSE IS NOT TO OF COURSE OVERLY BURDEN STATE GOVERNMENTS BUT INSTEAD TO RESPECT THE JUDGMENTS AND DECISIONS THEY’VE MADE IN WEIGHING THE EQUITIES AND MAKING DETERMINATIONS AS TO WHAT IS THE RIGHT CRITERIA, TO GIVE RESPECT TO THE DUAL ELECTED OFFICIALS IN — DULY ELECTED OFFICIALS IN STATES WHO HAVE MADE THOSE JUDGMENTS.
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IT HAPPENS IN SOUTH DAKOTA AND NEBRASKA. IT’S NOT UNDULYY BURDENSOME, IT’S REALLY ABOUT RESPECTING THE PEOPLE IN STATE GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF RESIDENTS OF STATES AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU RESPECT AND SUPPORT THE FULL RIGHT OF INDIVIDUALS TO ENJOY THE RIGHTS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION TO
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AMENDMENT. BEAR ARMS, YOU WILL OPPOSE THIS I’LL YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION SEASON THE
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AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. FURTHER PROCEEDINGS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND WILL BE POSTPONED. IT IS NOW IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDMENT NUMBER 10 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON SEEK RECOGNITION?
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK.
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THE CLERK WILL DESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 10 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED BY MR. REICHERT OF WASHINGTON. THE GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON, MR. REICHERT, AND A
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FIVE MINUTES. MEMBER OPPOSED EACH WILL CONTROL THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON.
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. TODAY WE ARE HERE CONSIDERING A NATIONAL RECIPROCITY LAW FOR CONCEALED FIREARMS, LICENSES AND PERMITS. I’VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS FOR PEOPLE TO CARRY AND KEEP FIREARMS. I COME AT THIS FROM A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I WAS A POLICE OFFICER FOR 33 YEARS. WORKED THE STREETS FOR SIX YEARS IN A PATROL CAR, S.W.A.T. COMMANDER, HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR. I’VE HAD GUNS POINTED AT ME. I’VE LOOKED DOWN THE BARREL OF A SHOT GUN.
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I’VE LOCKED DOWN THE BARREL OF A RIFLE. I’VE HEARD THE SHOTS FLY BY. I’VE BEEN AT THE OTHER END OF THE GUN, TOO. FORTUNATELY NOT HAD TO FIRE AT ANYONE. BUT IN THE PROTECTION OF PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY, I’VE EXPERIENCED BEING AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FIREARM. SO I UNDERSTAND AND I GET THE CONCERNS OF COPS, MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. TO MAKE SURE TODAY IS THAT THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY THAT PROTECT US AND ARE PROTECTING US WHILE WE’RE IN THE CAPITOL TODAY ARE EQUIPPED AND PREPARED TO ENFORCE THIS LAW. I HAVE A CONCERN. SO MY AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE G.A.O. LOOK INTO WHETHER OR NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE ABLE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALED FIREARM PERMITS AND LICENSES. WITHIN ONE YEAR OF ENACTMENT, RESULTS OF THIS STUDY WILL BE REPORTED TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. OUR STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY
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EVERY DAY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE. THEY PUT THE BADGE ON, THEY PUT THEIR UNIFORMS ON, THEY WALK OUT INTO THE STREETS, THEY WALK OUT TO THEIR PATROL CARS AND THEY’RE PUTTING THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE. IT’S A RISK AND RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY GLADLY ACCEPT THEM. WANT TO COME HOME SAFELY, OF COURSE, TO THEIR FAMILIES. BUT THEY KNOW THE RISKS WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR HOME. THEY KNOW THE RISKS WHEN THEY PUT ON THE BADGE. WE OWE IT TO THEM TO ENSURE THE UNDERLYING BILL DOES NOT CREATE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OR ADDITIONAL SAFETY CONCERNS.
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EVERY COP IN EVERY JURISDICTION RIGHT NOW IT’S UNCLEAR WHETHER ACROSS THIS NATION CAN EFFICIENTLY DETERMINE THE
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PERMITS. VALIDITY OF CONCEALED FIREARMS EACH STATE DECIDES HOW BEST TO STORE THAT INFORMATION AND HAVE ACCESS TO ITS OWN CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT INFORMATION, BUT MAYBE NOT THAT OF OTHER STATES. I ONLY HAVE SO MUCH TIME SO I APOLOGIZE, NOT YET. ONLY 12 STATES ARE RIGHT NOW PARTICIPATING IN A PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS ELECTRONIC ACCESS TO JOINT CONCEALED CARRY DATABASE. AND THE REMAINING 38 STATES, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO CONTACT APPROPRIATE LOCAL OFFICIALS OVER THE PHONE OR BY EMAIL. THIS METHOD IS NOT TIMELY ENOUGH AND NOT EFFECTIVE. WE MUST UNDER HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A STATE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT IS LEGITIMATE OR FRAUDULENT. THIS IS CRITICAL TO BOTH THE SAFETY OF THE COPS IN PATROLLING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROTECTING
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CITIZENS. THE RIGHTS OF LAW-ABIDING THIS G.A.O. STUDY WILL HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF NATIONAL RECIPROCITY FOR CONCEALED FIREARMS ON OUR NATION’S LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THEIR ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY ENFORCE THE LAW. WE MUST PASS THIS AMENDMENT TO ENSURE THAT OUR COPS HAVE THE ADEQUATE TOOLS TO ENFORCE THIS LAW AND I’D LIKE TO GIVE THE REST OF MY TIME — RESERVE THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN
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RESERVES THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. WHO CLAIMS TIME IN OPPOSITION? I DO, MR. CHAIRMAN.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I MERELY WANTED TO ASK OUR DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUE FROM I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THAT THE G.A.O. WOULD CONDUCT A STUDY ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF OUT-OF-STATE CONCEALMENT AFTER THIS BILL WAS
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GENTLEMAN. PASSED, AND I YIELD TO THE
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THANK YOU FOR YIELDING. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS STUDY IS TIED TO THE PASSAGE OF THE BILL.
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NO, THE STUDY IS NOT TIED TO THE PASSAGE OF THE BILL. THE STUDY WILL BEGIN UPON PASS AND OF THE BILL AND IT WILL LAST — AND THE REPORT MUST BE FILED BEFORE ONE YEAR IS UP. I SEE. COULD I ASK THE GENTLEMAN WHY WE WOULDN’T CONDUCT THE STUDY IN FRONT OF THE BILL RATHER THAN AFTER THE BILL? WELL, A WAY THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS PRESENTED, PRESENTED ALLOWING THE STUDY TO GO ON AS LAW ENFORCEMENT ENCOUNTERS THIS NEW LAW, WE’LL THEN KNOW, OF COURSE, WHAT CHALLENGES THEY FACE AS THEY LOOK TO ENFORCE THE LAW. WE WON’T KNOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS UNTIL THE LAW IS IN PLACE. WELL, COULD I SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS FEDERAL LEGISLATORS MIGHT BE TO DETERMINE THE IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSAL ON PUBLIC SAFETY BEFORE WE PASS IT, NOT YEARS LATER AFTER WE PASSED IT? WOULD THE GENTLEMAN CONCEDE THAT WILL A MORE APPROPRIATE PATH? YES, SIR, YOU’RE YIELDING ONCE AGAIN? YES, SIR, THAT’S WHAT MY AMENDMENT IS INTENDED TO DO, IS TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION SO APPROPRIATELY REVISE THE POLICIES MAY EXIST IN POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SHERIFFS OFFICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME.
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HAS ONE MINUTE REMAINING. THE GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON YES, SIR. I’D LIKE TO YIELD THE BALANCE OF MY TIME TO THE DISTINGUISHED CHAIRMAN OF THE JUDICIARY.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON, A FORMER SHERIFF HIMSELF, FOR YIELDING ME TIME. AND I APPRECIATE HIS OFFERING THIS AMENDMENT WHICH REQUESTS A STUDY BY THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE OFFICE ON THE ABILITY OF STATE AND LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF NONRESIDENT CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. THE STUDY REQUESTED BY THE GENTLEMAN’S AMENDMENT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ASSURANCE IN NONRESIDENT PERMIT INFORMATION CAN BE VERIFIED BY LAW
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COUNTRY. ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ACROSS THE SO I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT HIS AMENDMENT AND I’LL YIELD BACK AS WELL. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE BALANCE OF HIS TIME. THE QUESTION OCCURS ON THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE
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GENTLEMAN FROM WASHINGTON. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THE AYES HAVE IT. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 6 OF RULE 18, PROCEEDINGS WILL NOW RESUME ON THOSE AMENDMENTS ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, BY MR. WOOD YAWL OF NEW YORK, AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO, BY MRS. MCCARTHY OF NEW YORK, AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS, AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX BY MR. COHEN OF TENNESSEE, AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE QUESTION FOR THE — REQUEST FOR THE RECORDED VOTE BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. WOOD YAWL, ON WHICH THE FURTHER PROCEED WRGS POSTPONED AND ON WHICH THE AYES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE.
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AMENDMENT. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE CLOIM AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112- 238, OFFERED BY MR. WOOD YAWL OF GEORGIA. THIS WILL BE A 15-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION
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REPRESENTATIVES. WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 140, THE NAYS ARE 280. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NEW YORK, MRS. MCCARTHY, ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED AND ON WHICH THE AYES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 2 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED BY MRS. MCCARTHY OF NEW YORK. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE AND BE COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE
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REPRESENTATIVES. UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 147, THE NAYS ARE 274. THIS AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, MR. HASTINGS ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED, ON WHICH THE AYES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283, OFFERED BY MR. HASTINGS OF FLORIDA. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN FORTH OF A REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE AND BE COUNTED. 5 SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING
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ORDERED. RISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION
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REPRESENTATIVES. WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] 6 ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 148, THE NAYS WILL 274. ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 174, THE NAYS ARE 277, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, PRINNED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283, BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283, OFFERED BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF A RECORDED VOTE SHALL RISE AND BE COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING RISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION
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REPRESENTATIVES. WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE
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COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 139, THE NAYS ARE 284, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283, BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA, MR. JOHNSON, ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED AND ON WHICH THE AYES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE CHESM CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX PRINTED IF HOUSE REPORT 112-283, OFFERED BY MR. JOHNSON OF GEORGIA. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE AND BE COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING RISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED.
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BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION
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REPRESENTATIVES. WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE
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COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 143, THE NAYS — ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 144, THE NAYS ARE 281, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 7 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 11-283 BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS — 112-283 BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM TENNESSEE, MR. COHEN, ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED AND
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ON WHICH THE NOES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 7 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED BY MR. COHEN OF TENNESSEE. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE AND BE COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE.
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NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE
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INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE
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COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 150, THE NAYS ARE 276, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 8 BY THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM TEXAS, MS. JACKSON LEE, ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED AND ON WHICH THE NOES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 8 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 OFFERED BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS.
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A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST
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AND BE COUNTED. FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE.
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NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE
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INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF
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ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED REPRESENTATIVES. COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE
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COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 123, THE NAYS ARE 299, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED TO. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 9 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283 BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND, MR. CICILLINE, ON WHICH FURTHER PROCEEDINGS WERE POSTPONED AND ON WHICH THE AYES PREVAILED BY VOICE VOTE. THE CLERK WILL REDESIGNATE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 9 PRINTED IN HOUSE REPORT 112-283
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OFFERED BY MR. CICILLINE OF RHODE ISLAND. A RECORDED VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE WILL RISE AND BE COUNTED. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED.
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BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES THIS IS A TWO-MINUTE VOTE.
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NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE
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REPRESENTATIVES. UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 146, THE NAYS ARE 277. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT ADOPTED. THE QUESTION IS ON THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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THE AYES HAVE IT. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. ACCORDINGLY THE RULE — THE COMMITTEE RISES. MADAM SPEAKER, THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON THE STATE OF THE UNION HAS HAD UNDER CONSIDERATION H.R. 822 AND PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463 I REPORT THE BILL BACK TO THE HOUSE WITH AN AMENDMENT ADOPTED IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE ON THE STATE OF THE UNION REPORTS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS HAD UNDER CONSIDERATION THE BILL H.R. 822 AND PURSUANT TO HOUSE RESOLUTION 463 REPORTS THE BILL BACK TO THE HOUSE WITH AN AMENDMENT ADOPTED IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. UNDER THE RULE THE PREVIOUS QUESTION IS ORDERED. IN A SEPARATE VOTE DEMANDED ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT REPORTED — IS A SEPARATE VOTE DEMANDED ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT REPORTED FROM THE WHOLE? IF NOT, THE QUESTION IS ON THE COMMITTEE AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO. THE QUESTION IS ON ENGROSSMENT AND THIRD READING OF THE BILL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AYES HAVE IT. THIRD READING. A BILL TO AMEND TITLE 18 UNITED STATES CODE TO PROVIDE A NATIONAL STANDARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHICH NONRESIDENTS OF A STATE MAY CARRY CONCEALED FIREARMS IN THE STATE. WILL THE HOUSE COME TO ORDER? THE HOUSE COME TO ORDER. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE
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GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND RISE? I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMIT AT THE DESK. IS THE GENTLEMAN OPPOSED TO THE BILL? I AM OPPOSED. THE GENTLEMAN QUALIFIES. THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE MOTION. MR. CICILLINEY OF RHODE ISLAND MOVES TO RECOMMIT THE BILL TO THE COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO REPORT THE SAME BACK TO THE HOUSE FOR THE WITH — FORTHWITH WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT, PAGE 5, LINE 3, INSERT THE FOLLOWING, SECTION, LIMITATIONS ON RECIPROCITY FOR CHILD SEX OWE FENDERS, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
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OFFENDERS AND KNOWN OR SUSPECTED TERRORISTS. FOR
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FROM SOUTH CAROLINA RISE? WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN MADAM SPEAKER, I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES. MADAM SPEAKER, WITH NEARLY 14 MILLION UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS AND OUR NATION’S ECONOMY CONTINUES TO STRUGGLE, IT’S DISHEARTENING THAT WE STAND — MADAM SPEAKER, THE HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER.
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THE GENTLEMAN’S CORRECT. THE HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER. WILL MEMBERS TAKE THEIR FROM THE FLOOR? — CONVERSATIONS FROM THE FLOOR? THE GENTLEMAN MAY RESUME. IT IS DISHEARTENING THAT WE STAND HERE TODAY DIVIDED, ENGAGING IN HEATED DEBATE ABOUT EXPANDING THE ABILITY OF PEOPLE TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS AND IGNORING THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE CONFRONTING OUR COUNTRY, THE JOBS CRISIS. WE’RE DEBATING AN EFFORT TO UNDERMINE THE ABILITY OF STATES TO PROTECT RESIDENTS FROM THE SCOURGE OF GUN VIOLENCE AND WE HAVE BEFORE US A BILL THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY PRECLUDE —
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MADAM SPEAKER, THE HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER. THE GENTLEMAN IS CORRECT, THE HOUSE
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. IS NOT IN ORDER. WILL MEMBERS TAKE THEIR CONVERSATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. THE GENTLEMAN DESERVES TO BE HEARD. WILL MEMBERS PLEASE CEASE THEIR CONVERSATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. THE GENTLEMAN MAY RESUME. WE HAVE BEFORE US A BILL THAT WILL PRECLUDE STATES WHO CAN CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON WITHIN ITS BORDERS AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE. WHILE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT OPPOSED, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FIND COMMON GROUND. THERE IS A CHANCE TO UNITE AROUND A COMMONSENSE AMENDMENT FROM THE PRIVILEGES OF THIS BILL BEING EXPOSED TO THE MOST DANGEROUS INDIVIDUALS IN OUR SOCIETY WHO INTEND TO INFLICT HARM UPON OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR NATION. LET ME BE CLEAR, THIS IS THE FINAL AMENDMENT AND PASSAGE OF THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT KILL THE BILL. IT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL LANGUAGE AND IMMEDIATELY VOTED UPON. WHILE MANY OF US MAY DISAGREE WITH THE UNDERLYING INTENT OF THIS BILL, IT’S HARD TO IMAGINE ANYONE WOULD DISAGREE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT SHOULD NOT BE AFFORDED THE RIGHT TO CARRY CONCEALED, LOADED WEAPONS ACROSS STATE LINES. IT’S HARD TO IMAGINE THAT ANYONE WOULD ADVOCATE FOR PRESERVING A PATH FOR TERRORISTS, CHILD SEX DOMESTIC ABUSERS TO TRANSPORT A LOADED GUN INTO ANOTHER STATE. YET THESE LOOPHOLES ARE PRESENT IN THE UNDERLYING BILL AND IF MY AMENDMENT IS NOT PASSED BY THIS BODY, THIS DANGEROUS AND APPALLING PATHWAY FOR VIOLENCE WILL REMAIN. FOR FAR TOO LONG, TERRORISM HAS THREATENED THE HAPPINESS AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS. WHILE WE CONTINUE TO LIVE IN A WORLD THAT REQUIRES CONSTANT VIGILANCE, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE PROVISION IN H.R. 822 THAT WOULD PREVENT SUSPECTED OR KNOWN TERRORISTS WHO ACQUIRE CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS IN ONE STATE, WITH LAX REGULATIONS FROM CARRYING THAT SAME LOADED WEAPON INTO
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ANOTHER STATE WITH STRINGENT REGULATION. THIS DOES NOT PROTECT VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THE HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER. THE GENTLEMAN MAY CONTINUE. 2007 INVESTIGATION FOUND THAT FLA’S LICENSING SYSTEM HAD GRANTED CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO 1,400 PEOPLE WHO PLEADED GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO A FELONY. 128 WHO ARE PLED GUILTY TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. IN 2010, A MAN WHO HAD A RECORD OF VIOLENT BEHAVIOR AGAINST WOMEN WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN A CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT IN FLORIDA, HE KILLED HIS WIFE AND THREE OTHER WOMEN AT A LOCAL RESTAURANT. H.R. 822 WILL FORCE OTHER STATES TO RECOGNIZE FLORIDA’S CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS THE SAME PERMIT HELD BY THIS MAN. FINALLY, THERE IS NO PROTECTION IN H.R. 822 TO PREVENT INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF SEX A MINOR FROM CARRYING A CONCEALED, LOADED GUN INTO A STATE WHOGS REQUIREMENTS MIGHT HAVE PREVENTED THAT INDIVIDUAL FROM CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON. CHILD SEX OFFENDERS, INDIVIDUALS WHO CREATE LASTING HARM SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PERPETRATE FEAR IN THE HEARTS OF OUR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES. H.R. 822 WILL FORCE OTHER STATES TO RECOGNIZE PERMITS ISSUED TO THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO POSE DANGER TO OUR CHILDREN. ALL TOO OFTEN GUNS END UP BACK IN THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS AND NOTHING IN THIS BILL WOULD IMPEDE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS OR DOMESTIC VIOLENT OFFENDERS FROM CARRYING LOADED GUNS ACROSS STATE LINES. MY AMENDMENT WOULD PRECLUDE CHILD SEX OFFENDERS, DOMESTIC VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND KNOWN AND SUSPECTED TERRORISTS FROM ENJOYING THE PRIVILEGE OF CARRYING CONCEALED HANDGUNS. THIS COMMONSENSE AMENDMENT TO OUR BRAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WHO BEAR THE GREATEST RESPONSIBILITY IN
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ATTACKS. PROTECTING US FROM TERRORIST WE OWE THIS TO OUR CHILDREN WHOSE LIVES ARE PREYED UPON AND VICTIMS THAT THE LAW WILL NOT EXTEND THE LAW TO CONTINUE STALKING, THREATENING AND PERPETRATING ABUSE. NOW IS THE TIME FOR OUR CHAMBER TO UNITE. LET’S DEMONSTRATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE CAN USE COMMON SENSE AND COME TOGETHER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. WHILE THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT EMBODIES THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, OUR CITIZENS ALSO ENJOY THE RIGHT TO
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BE FREE FROM THE TERROR OF GUN VIOLENCE. I URGE ALL MEMBERS TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM SOUTH CAROLINA RISE? I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE MOTION TO RECOMMIT. WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND MEMBERS TRAFFIC
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BEHAVIOR. IN THE WELL IS IMPROPER THE GENTLEMAN MAY CONTINUE. THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO OUR CONSTITUTION WAS DRAFTED, DEBATED AND RATIFIED IMPRECISELY THE SAME MANNER AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THE FOURTH AMENDMENT, THE FIFTH, SIXTH AND OTHER AMENDMENTS OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE FIND SACOSANCT. IT IS SET LT LAW THAT THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL AND PROTECTS THE RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE AND DEFEND THE LIVES OF OTHERS. NOT ONCE BUT TWICE THE SUPREME COURT HAS HELD THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IS A FUNDAMENTAL, INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. AND THOSE RIGHTS DO NOT KNOW ANY BOUNDARY. THE HOUSE IS NOT IN ORDER. MEMBERS, PLEASE TAKE THEIR CONVERSATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. THE GENTLEMAN MAY CONTINUE. THE SUPREME COURT HAS HELD THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS AS A FUNDAMENTAL, INDIVIDUAL RIGHT AND THOSE RIGHTS DO NOT KNOW ANY GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY AND THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES DOES NOT EBB AND FLOW OR BECAUSE WE TRANSVERSUS A STATE LINE. DESPITE THE FACT THAT THESE RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED IN THE CONSTITUTION, THERE ARE STILL THOSE WHO SEEK TO TREAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AS A CONSTITUTIONAL SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN. STIMETS THOSE EFFORTS, MADAM SPEAKER, TO DENIGRATE THE STATUS OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT ARE OVERT AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE I’M SURE SHORT LIVED IN FAT YOUATION WITH STATE RIGHTS, LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT LIMITS ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT WITH REGARD TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT? DOES YOUR STATE WANT REPORTERS TO PASS A TEST SO THEY CAN EXERCISE THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT? YOU WANT 50 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION? WHAT ABOUT THE FOURTH AMENDMENT? IS ONE STATE FREE TO DISPOSE OF THE EXCLUSIONARY RULE BECAUSE IT DOESN’T AGREE WITH IT. DO WE HAVE 50 VERSIONS OF WHAT
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IS A REASONABLE SEVERE AND SEIZURE. WHAT ABOUT THE FIFTH AMENDMENT,
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50 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF MIRANDA. EIGHT AMENDMENT,, ARE THERE 50 DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF CRUEL AND UNUSUAL. THE CONCEPT OF STATES’ RIGHTS AND WE HOPE THE SAME FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THIS MOTION TO RECOMMIT IS TO JETTISON AND REAL DEBATE THE
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HEAP. SECOND AMENDMENT TO A SCRAP ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS WERE DEALT WITH IN COMMITTEE, AND THE MATTERS OF STATE LAW CLASSIFICATIONS ARE JUST THAT, STATE LAW. THE FACT THAT CERTAIN STATE LEGISLATURES REFUSE TO PROTECT THEIR CITIZENS DOES NOT MEAN THIS BODY WILL REFUSE TO DEFEND THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THIS BILL, MADAM SPEAKER, H.R. 822, HAS 245 CO-SPONSORS, MORE THAN HALF THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY, AND IT ENJOYS THAT WIDE AND DIVERSE SUPPORT BECAUSE IT IS EMBLEM ATTIC OF OUR FOREFATHERS’ GENIUS AND GAVE US THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL AND PROTECT OURSELVES AND GAVE US THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO PROTECT OTHERS AND THE FUNDAMENTAL OBLIGATION TO DEFEND LIBERTY. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO OPPOSE THIS MOTION AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. WITHOUT
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IS ORDERED. OBJECTION, THE PREVIOUS QUESTION
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RECOMMIT. TO THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE NOES HAVE IT. I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. THE GENTLEMAN FROM RHODE ISLAND HAS ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING
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ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 8 AND CLAUSE 9 OF RULE 20, 15-MINUTE VOTE ON THE MOTION TO RECOMMIT WILL FOLLOW BY PASSAGE AND MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES ON H.R. 674. THIS IS A 15-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE
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REPRESENTATIVES. UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY
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PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR 1 1/2 MINUTES. MR. SPEAKER, THE FIRST REASON THIS BILL SHOULD BE DEFEATED IS THAT IT USURPS STATE AUTHORITY AND REPLACES IT WITH A
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FEDERAL DIRECTIVE. LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR THIS IS A RADICAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION. IN FACT, TODAY 43 STATES ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS LAW. 38 STATES TODAY PREVENT PEOPLE FROM CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS IF THEY HAVE CERTAIN DANGEROUS MISDEMEANOR CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS. 35 STATES REQUIRE THE COMPLETION
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OF A GUN — SHORT GUN SAFETY PROGRAM. THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA HAS WEAKENED ITS GUN LAWS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS ALLOWING CONCEALED GUNS IN BARS AND RENEWAL OF PERMITS BY MAIL. I DISAGREE WITH THESE ACTIONS, BUT I WOULD NEVER QUESTION THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY’S AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. BUT THIS BILL MAKES OUR STATE
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IRRELEVANT. LEGISLATURE’S JUDGMENT THIS IS A FEDERAL POWER GRAB. COMING FROM A MAJORITY THAT CLAIMS TO BE A DEFENDER OF STATES’ RIGHTS. THE SECOND REASON THAT THIS BILL SHOULD BE DEFEATED IS THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS OPPOSE IT. THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE MAJOR CITIES POLICE CHIEF ASSOCIATION, THE VIRGINIA ASSOCIATION OF
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BILL.
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CHIEFS OF POLICE ALL OPPOSE THIS WHY? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR POLICE TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF 49 DIFFERENT CARRY PERMITS PLACING OFFICERS IN POTENTIALLY LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS. SOME STATES DON’T EVEN KEEP VERIFIABLE DATA BASES OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ISSUED CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS. LAW ENFORCEMENT IS TRYING TO CURB ILLEGAL GUN SMUGGLING, BUT BILL ALLOWS TRAFFICKERS WITH CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS TO TRANSPORT FIREARMS AND PRESENT AN UNVERIFIABLE PERMIT IF STOPPED BY POLICE. THIS IS A BLATANT LEMMING OVERREACH PRESUMABLY BECAUSE IT WAS NEXT ON THE N.R.A.’S LEGISLATIVE WISH LIST. WE SHOULD DEFEAT THIS BILL, MR. SPEAKER. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM ARKANSAS, MR. ROSS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM
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ARKANSAS IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I RISE TODAY IN STRONG SUPPORT OF H.R. 822. IF YOU GET A DRIVER’S LICENSE IN ARKANSAS, IT’S RECOGNIZED IN EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY. AND IF YOU HAVE A CONCEAL CARRY PERMIT, THE SAME RULES SHOULD APPLY. OUR SECOND AMOUNT RIGHTS TO OWN AND BEAR ARMS ARE UNIVERSAL, AND OUR LAWS SHOULD REFLECT THAT AS BEST THEY CAN. THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT WOULD ALLOW EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN WITH A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT TO CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM IN ALL STATES THAT ALLOW THEM FOR LAWFUL PURPOSES. LET ME BE CLEAR, IF YOUR STATE BANS CONCEALED FIREARMS, THEN THIS LAW WILL NOT AFFECT THAT BAN. THIS BILL DOES NOT CHANGE ANY STATE LAWS ABOUT WHEN AND WHERE YOU CAN CARRY A CONCEALED FIREARM. THIS BILL DOES NOT CREATE A NEW FEDERAL LICENSING SYSTEM. IT SIMPLY REINFORCES OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND MAKES THE LAWS MORE FAIR FOR LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS. AS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE WE MUST PASS THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT NOW AND I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO JOIN ME IN VOTING FOR THE BILL. THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. I YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, BILL PASCRELL, 1 1/2 MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS
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. RECOGNIZED FOR 1 1/2 MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
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CHAIRMAN. THE RANKING MEMBER, MR. I HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE ON THIS BILL. WHERE WHETHER I WOULD SUPPORT A DISPUTABLE CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE ABOUT WHETHER YOU CAN BY LAW CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON OR MOVE TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE TO THOSE WHO OPPOSE THIS. NOW, WHO OPPOSES THIS LEGISLATION? BESIDES ME? MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE MAJOR CITIES CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, AND THE POLICE FOUNDATION OPPOSE THIS BILL. DOESN’T THIS MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU AT ALL? DOESN’T IT? OR DOES IT? I’LL PREFER — I PREFER COMMUNITY POLICING THAN TRY TO PUT MORE GUNS INTO THE HANDS OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WE DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO ARE GOING TO BE TRAINED TO EVEN USE THEM. THAT’S MY PREFERENCE. THIS MEANS MY HOME STATE OF NEW JERSEY — THIS IS NOT IDAHO, THIS IS NOT MONTANA. WE’RE — IN FACT, WE HAVE THE MOST VASTLY POPULATED STATE IN THE UNION. THERE IS A DIFFERENT CULTURE. WHEN CLINTON ARGUED ON BEHALF OF GUN POSSESSION WHEN HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, HE ALWAYS MADE THIS POINT ABOUT THE CULTURAL
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DIFFERENCES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. WE RESPECT THAT. I’M NOT AGAINST THE SECOND
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AMENDMENT. I SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT. BUT I DON’T WANT THOSE FOLKS IN THE STREET WHO ARE OUTARMED — OUTARM AND OUTGUN OUR POLICE OFFICERS. 12,000 POLICE OFFICERS WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU.
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU.
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12,000 LESS POLICE OFFICERS IN OUR STREETS. BE WORRIED ABOUT THAT AS A PRIORITY RATHER THAN THIS AS A PRIORITY. SO I MADE THE DECISION. THE EVIDENCE IS LIKE THIS AGAINST DOING THIS. WE HAVEN’T HAD ANY LEGISLATION WHICH TOOK AWAY ONE GUN IN THE PAST 20 YEARS FROM ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY. NOT ONE. SO WE HAVE MADE THE PERCEPTION BEING THAT WE WANT TO TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM PEOPLE. HOW DARE YOU EVEN SAY, PROTECT OUR POLICE, DON’T VOTE FOR THIS? I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS, MR. KINSINGER. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS SIMPLE. WHEN THE GUNS ARE HEARD, IT IS THOUGHT IT IS CRIMINALS. THIS BILL IS ABOUT THE RIGHT OF LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO BEAR ARMS. ILLINOIS WE HAVE CONCEALED-CARRY. THERE ARE PEOPLE KILLED IN CHICAGO VERY OFTEN BY GUNS THAT ARE ALREADY CONCEALED. BUT NOT CONCEALED BY LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. ILLINOIS’ THE ONLY STATE THAT
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DOESN’T ALLOW A FORM OF IT LEGALLY. I WANT H.R. 8 2 TO BE A CLEAR SIGN TO THE GOVERNOR OF ILLINOIS THAT NOW IS THE TIME TO JOIN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN ALLOWING CITIZENS THE RIGHT TO CONCEAL A FIREARM ON THEIR PERSON. WE HEAR SO MUCH OF THE — IF WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KILLED, BUT THAT FLIES IN THE FACE OF STATISTICS. AFTER 2008, THERE WAS A RECORD NUMBER OF GUNS PURCHASED, BUT WE SAW CRIME DROP ALMOST
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BAR NONE. EVERYWHERE. MY POINT IS THAT IN THE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. ILLINOIS NEEDS TO JOIN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IN SUPPORTING CONCEALED-CARRY FOR ITS CITIZENS AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A SIGN THAT IT’S TIME TO DO SO NOW AND I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I’M PLEASED TO YIELD TO THE GENTLELADY FROM FLORIDA, DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE
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JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO H.R. 822, THE NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY RECIPROCITY ACT. THIS ILL CONCEIVED BILL IS YET ANOTHER DISTRACTION FROM WHAT SHOULD BE THE MOST PRESSING CONCERN OF THIS CONGRESS, PUTTING AMERICANS BACK TO WORK. WHAT’S MORE DISTURBING IS THAT THIS BILL JEOPARDIZES PUBLIC SAFETY BY MANDATING THAT STATES HONOR EVEN THE MOST LAXED CONCEALED WEAPONS LAWS OF OTHER STATES. THE GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS IS INCORRECT. THIS IS ABOUT CRIMINALS. FROM MY CONSTITUENTS IN SOUTH FLORIDA, GUN CONTROL IS A SERIOUS ISSUE. MIAMI-DADE COUNTY HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF GUN VIOLENCE IN THE COUNTRY. AND IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA, THERE ARE 8,000 PERMITS FOR CONCEALED FIREARMS. FLORIDA’S PROCESS FOR ISSUING LICENSE IS PROBLEMATIC ENOUGH AND I WOULD CERTAINLY NOT SUGGEST FOISTING IT ON ANY OTHER STATE THAT HAS STRONGER
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CITIZENS. SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT ITS BUT THIS BILL WILL DO EXACTLY THAT. FOR STATES THAT REQUIRE AGE MINUTE MUMS OR SAFETY TRAINING BEFORE GETTING A CONCEALED WEAPON PERMIT OR PROHIBITS CERTAIN VIOLENT OFFENDERS FROM GETTING A LICENSE IN THE FIRST PLACE, THIS GOES OUT THE WINDOW
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IF THIS BILL IS PASSED INTO LAW. WHAT WE GET IS THE WORST OF THE WORST, THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. FOR EXAMPLE, IN JUST ONE SIX-MONTH PERIOD IN 2006, FLORIDA GAVE CONCEALED LICENSE TO MORE THAN 1,400 INDIVIDUALS WHO PLEADED GUILTY OR NO CONTEST TO FELONIES. 216 OF THEM HAD OUTSTANDING WARRANTS. 128 OF THEM HAD ACTIVE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INJUNCTIONS. UNDER THIS BILL OTHER STATES WILL BE MANDATED TO HONOR THESE PERMITS. THEY’LL BE MANDATED TO ALLOW FLORIDA SELF-ADMITTED FELONS TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPONS IN THEIR STATES. THIS IS WHY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS BILL.
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IT’S OPPOSED BY MORE THAN 600 MEMBERS OF THE BIPARTISAN MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS, INCLUDING MANY OF MY LOCAL
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FLORIDA. MAYORS OF BOTH PARTIES IN SOUTH WHY WOULD THIS BILL BE A HIGHER PLY OR THE THAN CREATING JOBS — PRIORITY THAN CREATING JOBS? THE HOUSE MAJORITY STILL HAS NO JOBS AGENDA. REGARDLESS OF HOW AMERICANS FEEL ABOUT GUNS, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY WOULD AGREE THAT GUN POLICY IS NOT A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN JOB CREATION IS RIGHT NOW. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO VOTE NO ON THIS BILL AND I URGE MY FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE TO STOP PUTTING AMERICAN LIVES AT RISK AND START PUTTING THEM
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BACK TO WORK. THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD ONE MINUTE TO MR. COBLE, WHO IS ALSO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COURT SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR ONE MINUTE.
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I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I RISE IN SUPPORT OF H.R. 822, CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS MAY BE THE MOST SCRUTINIZED PERMITS FOR GUN OWNERS TO RECEIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MANNER IN WHICH THESE PERMITS ARE RECOGNIZED BY VARIOUS STATES IS AND INCONSISTENT. H.R. 822 WILL HELP RESOLVE THIS DILEMMA, MR. CHAIRMAN. FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY HOME STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA, CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS FROM SOUTH CAROLINA AND GEORGIA ARE RECOGNIZED, BUT NOT PERMITS FROM NEW MEXICO. MEANWHILE, NEW MEXICO READILY RECOGNIZES CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS FROM NORTH CAROLINA. IF ENACTED THERE WOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY OVER WHICH PERMITS ARE VALID. ANOTHER REASON FOR SUPPORTING H.R. 822 IS THAT IT PROTECTS STATES’ SOVEREIGNTY. STATES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ISSUE CONCEALED-CARRY PERMITS AND STATE LAWS REGARDING THE USE OF OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS ARE EXPLICITLY PRESERVED. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT — INDIVIDUALS TO OWN A FIREARM, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT OWNERSHIP AND USE OF A FIREARM CARRIES A
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RESPONSIBILITY. SPECIAL LEVEL OF PERSONAL THIS BILL PROMOTES BOTH OF THESE IDEAS AND IF ENACTED IT WILL HELP MAKE AMERICA SAFER PROBABLY EXPLAINS WHY THIS BILL HAS 245 CO-SPONSORS.
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BACK. I THANK THE CHAIRMAN AND YIELD
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN. MR. SPEAKER, I AM PLEASED TO YIELD TO THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, RUSH HOLT, TWO MINUTES. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR TWO MINUTES. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF LEGISLATION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. DRIVEN BY IDEOLOGICAL FERVOR OF ITS SPONSORS RATHER THAN BY ANY PRACTICAL APPROACH TO SAFETY, H.R. 822 WOULD AMEND EXISTING FEDERAL LAW TO ESTABLISH A NATIONAL STANDARD FOR CARRYING CONCEALED FIREARMS. AS THE SPONSORS WELL KNOW, THESE MATTERS HAVE LONG BEEN THE PROVINCE OF THE STATES. IT’S FASCINATING HOW QUICKLY THE MAJORITY IGNORES THE 10TH AMENDMENT WHEN THE GUN ON THIS VOTE THE YEAS ARE 161, THE NAYS
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ADOPTED. ARE 263, THE MOTION IS NOT THE QUESTION IS ON PASSAGE OF THE BILL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE NOES HAVE IT. THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS.
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ON THAT I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. A RECORDED VOTE IS REQUESTED. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TAKING THIS VOTE BY THE YEAS AND NAYS
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UNTIL COUNTED. WILL RISE AND REMAIN STANDING A SUFFICIENT NUMBER HAVING ARISEN, A RECORDED VOTE IS ORDERED.
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BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES THIS IS A FIVE-MINUTE VOTE.
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NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE
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INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] THE YEAS ARE 2772 AND NAYS ARE 154. THE BILL IS PASSED AND THE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS VOTE ON THE MOTION OF THE THE GENTLEMAN FROM MICHIGAN, MR. CAMP, TO CONCUR IN THE SENATE AMENDMENT TO H.R. 674 ON WHICH THE YAVEND. THE CLERK WILL REPORT. AN ACT TO AMEND THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986 TO REPEAL THE IMPOSITION OF 3% WITHHOLDING ON CERTAIN PAYMENTS MADE TO DEVELOPEDORS BY GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TO MODIFY THE CALCULATION OF MODIFIED ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR CERTAIN HEALTH-CARE-RELATED PROGRAMS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND CONCUR IN THE SENATE AMENDMENT. MEMBERS WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES
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BY ELECTRONIC DEVICE. THIS IS A FIVE-MINUTE VOTE. [CAPTIONING MADE POSSIBLE BY THE NATIONAL CAPTIONING INSTITUTE, INC., IN COOPERATION WITH THE
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REPRESENTATIVES. UNITED STATES HOUSE OF ANY USE OF THE CLOSED-CAPTIONED COVERAGE OF THE HOUSE PROCEEDINGS FOR POLITICAL OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.] HAVE ALL MEMBERS VOTED? TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE? ON THIS VOTE, THE YEAS ARE 422, THE NAYS ARE ZERO. 2/3 BEING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE SENATE AMENDMENT IS AGREED TO AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEWOMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA RISE? MR. SPEAKER, I SEND TO THE DESK A PRIVILEGED REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE ON RULES FOR FILING UNDER THE RULE. THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TITLE. REPORT TO ACCOMPANY HOUSE RESOLUTION 467, RESOLUTION PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONFERENCE REPORT TO ACCOMPANY THE BILL H.R. 2112 MAKING APPROPRIATIONS FOR RURAL DEVELOPMENT, FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION AND RELATED AGENCY PROGRAMS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR PROGRAM ENDING
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PURPOSES. SEPTEMBER 30, 2012 AND FOR OTHER REFERRED TO THE HOUSE CALENDAR AND ORDERED PRINTED. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA RISE? I ASK MY NAME BE
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836. REMOVED AS A CO-SPONSOR TO H.R. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. PURSUANT TO RULE — PURSUANT TO CLAUSE 8 OF RULE 20, PROCEEDINGS WILL RESUME ON THE MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES PREVIOUSLY POSTPONED. VOTES WILL BE TAKEN IN THE 3004 DE NOVO, H.R. 2660 DE NOVO, H.R. 2415 DE NOVO, H.R. 1791 DE NOVO. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE QUESTION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES AND PASSING H.R. 3004 WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT BY TITLE. H.R. 3004, A BILL TO DESIGNATE THE FACILITY OF THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE LOCATED AT 260 CALIFORNIA DRIVE IN YOUNTVILLE, CALIFORNIA, AS THE PRIVATE FIRST CLASS ALEJANDRO R. RUIZ POST OFFICE BUILDING. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE — THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS THE BILL. SO MANY AS ARE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THOSE OPPOSED, NO. 2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE BILL IS PASSED AND WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE QUESTION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES AND PASSING H.R. 2660 WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT BY TITLE. H.R. 2660, A BILL TO DESIGNATE THE FACILITY OF THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE LOCATED AT 122 NORTH HOLDERRIETH BOULEVARD IN TOMBALL, TEXAS, AS THE TOMBALL VETERANS POST OFFICE. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS THE BILL. SO MANY AS ARE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, 2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE BILL IS PASSED, AND WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE QUESTION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES AND PASSING H.R. 2415
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TITLE. WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT BY H.R. 2415, A BILL TO DESIGNATE THE FACILITY OF THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE LOCATED AT 11 DOCK STREET IN PITTSTON, PENNSYLVANIA, AS THE TROOPER JOSHUA D. MILLER POST OFFICE BUILDING. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS THE BILL.
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AYE. SO MANY AS ARE IN FAVOR SAY THOSE OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR,
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2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE BILL IS PASSED, AND WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE QUESTION ON SUSPENDING THE RULES AND PASSING H.R. 1741 WHICH THE CLERK WILL REPORT BY TITLE. H.R. 1791, A BILL TO DESIGNATE THE UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT 101 SOUTH UNITED STATES ROUTE 1 IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AS THE ALTO LEE ADAMS SR., UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE. THE QUESTION IS WILL THE HOUSE SUSPEND THE RULES AND PASS THE BILL. SO MANY AS ARE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
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IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR, THOSE OPPOSED, NO. 2/3 HAVING RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THE RULES ARE SUSPENDED, THE BILL IS PASSED, AND WITHOUT OBJECTION THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS LAID ON THE TABLE. THE CHAIR IS PREPARED TO ENTERTAIN ONE-MINUTE REQUESTS. UNDER THE SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCED POLICY OF JANUARY 5, 2011, THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, MR. CARTER, IS RECOGNIZED FOR 60 MINUTES AS THE DESIGNEE OF THE MAJORITY LEADER. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WELL, WE’RE ALL GLAD TO BE BACK IN THE CAPITAL CITY TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE DROWNING OUR COUNTRY AND WE HAVE SOME LEGISLATION THAT’S GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. I SEE THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE HERE TO JOIN ME IN TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. I’VE BEEN ON THE FLOOR OF THIS HOUSE NOW FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE HOW THESE REGULATIONS ARE KILLING JOBS IN THIS COUNTRY AND REALLY WHAT IT CUTS DOWN TO WHAT WE NEED TO TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND, WE DON’T NEED BIG STIMULUS SPENDING. THAT DIDN’T WORK. TRIED THAT. WE DON’T NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR BUSINESS. WE NEED THE PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS WITH THE
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GOVERNMENT GETTING OUT OF THE WAY. AND SO WE HAVE — WE HAVE TODAY SEVERAL BILLS THAT WE THINK ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO TELL US JUST EXACTLY HOW WE CAN MAKE SENSE OUT OF THIS OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF REGULATIONS. THOUSANDS OF REGULATIONS JUST THIS YEAR HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. MANY OF WHICH WILL KILL HUNDREDS OF NOUNS OF JOBS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND I THINK THAT I HAVE TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE.
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FIRST, RECOGNIZE MY FRIEND FROM KENTUCKY. I THINK HE HAS SOMEWHERE TO GO AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A SOLUTION THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED. WELL, FIRST, THANK YOU, JUDGE CARTER, FOR HOLDING THIS TONIGHT. AND ALLOWING ME SOME TIME TO SHARE AS WE TALKED ABOUT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE GROWTH OF THE REGULATORY STATE. AND THE ISSUE IS NOT BEING
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AGAINST REGULATION OR FOR REGULATION. THE ISSUE IS HAVING TRANSPARENCY AND WE’VE SEEN THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE AND THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE THAT, THEY ARE STRETCHING THE LAW. WHETHER IT’S THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 16972 THAT’S BEING STRETCHED BEYOND THE ORIGINAL INTENT TO CONGRESS OR ISSUES RELATED TO THE CLEAN WATER ACT THAT STRETCHED BEYOND THE BOUNDS OF SCIENCE TO UNFUNDED MANDATES AND NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND FROM THE LAST ADMINISTRATION. WE CAN THINK OF A WIDE VARIETY OF THESE ISSUES. AND FOR ME I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WAKES UP WHEN IT HITS THEM IN THE POCKETBOOK, WHEN IT
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HITS YOU AND ME IN THE POCKETBOOK. IN OUR CASE, YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING IN TEXAS. THE YEAR I WAS SWORN INTO CONGRESS A CONSENT DECREE WAS UPON OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY FOR NEARLY $1 FWL IN STORMWATER COMPLIANCE — $1 BILLION IN STORMWATER COMPLIANCE THAT WAS BEYOND THE CAPABILITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO COMPLY. THAT WAS BASED ON A RULE ISSUED BY INTERPRETATION OF A LAW THAT HAD BEEN PASSED EIGHT YEARS BEFORE IN A DIFFERENT CONGRESS AND A DIFFERENT POLITICAL CLIMATE AND, AGAIN, OUR CITIZENS, THE CITIZENS OF THE FOURTH DISTRICT OF KENTUCKY, CITIZENS OF DISTRICTS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, HAD NO
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RECOURSE BLUE TO COMPLY WITH THIS. AND ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WALKED IN AS WE WRESTLED WITH DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF NOT LIMITING REGULATION BUT PROVIDING ACCOUNTABILITY, PROVIDING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VOTERS, OUR CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT IT DOES, WALKED IN AND SAID TO ME, GEOFF, WHY CAN’T YOU GUYS VOTE ON THIS? AND WE HAD A REVELATION IN A DIFFERENT WAY TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF REGULATORY TRANSPARENCY. STANDARDIZATION IS IMPORTANT BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AT A PLACE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT AND IS PRACTICABLE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF COST. AND THE ECONOMIC COST IS OFTEN NOT INCURRED IN THIS. WE HAVE TOWNS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, ACROSS THE OHIO VALLEY WHOSE COMPLIANCE COST WITH JUST THAT REGULATION ALONE IS MORE THAN WHAT THE BUDGETS OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE AT AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT’S — WE WENT BACK AND REVEREND A PORTION IN THE CONGRESSIONAL REVIEW ACT OF
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05:05:10,000 –>05:05:09,999
1995 THAT WE SUGGESTED CHANGING. AND ONLY ONE — TO THE SHOCK OF MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS, ONLY ONE REGULATION HAS EVER BEEN REPEALED IN THE HISTORY OF THE CONGRESS. THAT WAS THE CLINTON ERAERING NONICS RULE — ERGONOMICS RULE. YOU HAD TO GET A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND MAJORITY IN THE SENATE TO PREVENT THAT
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EFFECT. REGULATION FROM GOING INTO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT’S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
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BUSINESS. IT’S DONE IN INDUSTRY AND IN FACT, IT’S DONE IN ALL COMPETITIVE SPORTS. IF GETS OUT OF BOUNDS OR OUT OF EXCEPTION — EXPECTATION, THE GAME IS GONE. THE LINE STOPS AND PEOPLE HAVE TYKE AN EXTRA LOOK AT WHAT THE ISSUE IS AT AN ASSEMBLY LINE. WE WANTED TO RESTORE TRANSPARENCY AND CONGRESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY OF WHAT THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOES AND THAT WAS THE GENESIS OF THE RAINES ACT. IT STANTS FOR REGULATIONS OF THE EXECUTIVE, IT’S HOUSE RESOLUTION 10. IN THIS CONGRESS THE NUMBER ON THE CHART UP THERE WAS FROM THE LAST CONGRESS, H.R. 3765. AND BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS REQUIRES CONGRESS TO FIND MAJOR RULES, ONE THAT HAS $100 MILLION OR MORE IN CUMULATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT ACROSS OUR COUNTRY. WHAT OUR BILL WILL DO IS REALLY VERY SIMPLE. ONCE A RULE COMES DOWN TO THE END OF THE 60-DAY COMMENT PERIOD IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK UP TO CAPITOL HILL FOR STAND-ALONE, UP OUR DOWN VOTE IN A JOINT RESOLUTION IN THE HOUSE, IN THE SENATE AND BE
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05:06:46,000 –>05:06:45,999
SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT’S MAKING THE POINT THAT FOR ANY MAJOR RULE, A RULE THAT REACHES INTO THE POCKETBOOK OF ALL HARDWORKING TAXPAYING AMERICAN, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO HOLD THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE POSITION THAT THEY TAKE ON THAT DIRECT ECONOMIC IMPACT. AND FOR ME I THINK IT’S FINE. THERE ARE TIMES THAT AMERICA WILL STAND UP AND SAY, YES, WE AGREE WITH THIS. THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THERE ARE OTHER TIMES, PARTICULARLY IN HARD ECONOMIC TIMES LIKE TODAY, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS INCREASE THAT REGULATORY BURDEN, THAT
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CITIZENS. OUT-OF-POCKET COST ON AMERICA’S TO GIVE AN IDEA OF THIS, THE COST IN 2009 ALONE OF REGULATION ON OUR ECONOMY FOR COMPLIANCE WAS $1.75 TRILLION. IF THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY SOME SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT, WHERE THE REGULATORY PROCESS WAS STREAMLINED, THAT WOULD BE CREATING JOBS. AND MORE TAXPAYERS ULTIMATELY. IF THE GENTLEMAN WILL YIELD BACK JUST A MOMENT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT $1.75 TRILLION IS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE INCOME TAX FOR THAT YEAR. IT WAS COLLECTED BY THIS COUNTRY. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BURDEN, IT’S MORE THAN THE ENTIRE TAX BURDEN OF OUR NATION. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN HAS A GREAT POINT. IT COMES DOWN TO ABOUT $10,000 FOR EVERY MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS THE COST OF REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. I YIELD BACK. GO AHEAD. AND WHY IT’S SO CRITICAL NOW TO YOUR POINT, WE’VE SEEN AGENCIES IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND THIS ADMINISTRATION WHO’VE GONE INTO OVERREACH BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WHAT WE’VE SEEN HAPPEN, IN THE LAST CONGRESS WHERE THERE WAS A DEMOCRATIC SUPERMAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, IN THE SENATE WITH A LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT
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PROMISES. WHO IS OUT TO KEEP HIS CAMPAIGN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SPOKE IN THAT ELECTION AND THEY SPOKE IN THE ELECTION THAT FOLLOWED LAST YEAR THAT THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THE OVERREACH, BE IT LEGISLATIVE OR IN THE REGULATORY SIDE AND MADE A CHANGE CERTAINLY IN THIS BODY. THE ADMINISTRATION PROCEEDED AT THAT POINT TO ATTEMPT TO ENACT CAP AND TRADE RULES, AN ENERGY TAX ON EVERY AMERICAN BY REGULATION WHEN THEIR OWN — WHEN THE CONGRESS IN A DEMOCRATIC SUPERMAJORITY COULD NOT PASS THOSE BILLS, TO SEND THEM TO THE PRESIDENT’S DESK, THEY WERE INTENT ON DOING IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. THE SAME THING THAT WE SEE HAPPENING POTENTIALLY WITH THE CARD CHECK.
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CONGRESS. COULD NOT PASS IN THE LAST WE SEE ATTEMPTS TO MOVE THAT BY REGULATION. THERE ARE ISSUES WITH UNFUNDED MANDATES ON OUR SCHOOLS AND EVEN SEEING AN EXTENSION OF THAT INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT FURTHER HAMSTRINGS ALREADY STRAPPED LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THAT DID NOT GET THROUGH THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. WE ARE SEEING ATTEMPTS TO DO THAT BY REGULATIONS. WHAT THE RAINS ACT WOULD SIMPLY DO, STOP, MR. PRESIDENT, STOB, CABINET SECRETARY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ADVICE AND CONSENT OF THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BEFORE YOU’RE GOING TO MOVE FOR SOMETHING
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GOING TO HIT US THAT HARD. WE HAVE 197 CO-SPONSORS ON THE BY SO FAR. IT’S — HELD TWO HEARINGS IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WAS PASSED OUT OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TWO WEEKS AGO, HAD A MARKUP IN THE RULES COMMITTEE TO GO OVER SOME TECHNICAL PIECES INSIDE OF THE BILL WITH THE TIMELINES ON VOTE TRIGGERS. IT’S PASSED OUT OF THE RULES COMMITTEE AND WE’RE LOOKING FOR A VOTE HERE HOPEFULLY IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO SEE IT PASSED AND SENT OVER TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE. BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO CHAMPION THIS MOVE TO NOT ONLY AWAKEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO THE HUGE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF OVERREGULAR PROLIFERATION BUT PRESENTING A WIDE VARIETY OF PLEDGE FIXES THAT YOU AND MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES HAVE AUTHORED TO STEM THIS TIDE OF REACH OF THE GOVERNMENT AND TO ALLOW OUR ECONOMY TO STAND UP IN ENERGY, IN MANUFACTURING AND AGRICULTURE. AND WITH IN A I THANK YOU AND YIELD BACK. WELL, I THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS. RECLAIMING MY TIME. AND I THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU’VE DONE ON THE RAINS ACT. IT’S GOOD — THIS IS A GOOD BILL.
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CONGRESS. THIS NEEDS TO BE PASSED BY THE I HOPE THAT OUR COLLEAGUES OVER ON THE SENATE SIDE WHEN THEY GRAB A HOLD OF THIS THAT THEY GET EXCITED ABOUT IT AND REALIZE THAT REGULATIONS IMPOSE MORE BURDENS ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAN THIS CONGRESS DOES. . THEY COME TO US AND SAY, WHY DID YOU PUT THIS BURDEN ON US, WHEN THE REAL ISSUE THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND IT WAS DONE BY REGULATIONS, BY PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT ELECTED, LIKE MEMBERS HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ANSWER TO OUR BOSS. AND OUR BOSS IS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THESE REGULATIONS DONE BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AGENCIES, I GUESS THE ONLY BOSS THEY HAVE TO ANSWER TO IS THE PRESIDENT. BUT IN MANY INSTANCES, THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE EVEN INDEPENDENT OF THE PRESIDENT. AND SOME OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE NOT THOUGHT OUT IN THE REAL WORLD, BUT THEYR IN FACT, THOUGHT OUT IN THE MINDS OF SOMEBODY THAT SITS AT A DESK AND JUST THINKS THIS HAS GOT TO BE A GOOD IDEA. SOMETIMES THESE GOOD IDEAS OVERWHELM US IN COSTS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, INTERFERE WITH OUR LIVES. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS.
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ABOUT IT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TALKING WHEN YOU GO HOME, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT ALLOWING THE BUSINESS PEOPLE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PLAYING FIELD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THESE REGULATIONS ARE CHANGING THE RULES EVERY TIME WE LOOK UP. AND I THINK THAT LEADS US INTO ANOTHER EXCELLENT PIECE OF LEGISLATION WHICH I’M PROUD TO BE A PART OF. IS A GOOD IDEA AND I’M GOING TO YIELD TO MY FRIEND AND LET HIM HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US AND WHAT YOUR IDEA IS AND WHY WE BOTH GOT INTO THIS MESS OF TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THOSE WHO WOULD MAKE OUR ECONOMY GROW, JUST EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAYING FIELD LOOKS LIKE. I THANK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS
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AND THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY. I SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE RUNNING MY OWN BUSINESS AND THIS IS SOMETHING I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH FIRSTHAND AND I FIND IT INTERESTING A FEW WEEKS AGO, ON OCTOBER 25, POLITICO RAN AN ARTICLE AND SAID, REGULATIONS, TOP ISSUE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. AND THEY CITE A GALLUP POLL. 41% OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SAY GOVERNMENT IS RELATED TO THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS FACING THEIR COMPANIES. THEY VIEW THE COSTS — MORE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS VIEW THE COSTS OF COMPLYING WITH GOVERNMENT REGULAR LAYINGS AS A
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BIGGER PROBLEM THAN ANY OTHER ISSUE. AND I HAVE HEARD THIS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND I WAS UP IN NORTHERN WISCONSIN WHERE THREE OTHER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND MYSELF, WE HELD AN ALL-DAY SESSION WITH THE TIMBER INDUSTRY. WE INVITED THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT HARVESTING TIMBER. AND I HAD A TIMBER MANAGER CAME UP TO ME WHO HARVESTS TIMBER AND SHE SAID, I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING. IF I DO A TIMBER SALE HERE THAT’S REGULATED BY ONE OF THE COUNTIES, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO FILL OUT. THAT’S THE COUNTY CONTRACT. AND THEN SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE OF WISCONSIN MANAGES THAT, THE CONTRACT IS TWICE AS LONG AND I HAVE TO MANAGE THAT CONTRACT. HOWEVER, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MANAGES THE TIMBER SALE, THIS IS THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE TO FILL OUT FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES OF BUREAUCRATIC RED TAPE, JUST TO ALLOW THEM TO HARVEST TIMBER THAT’S OPENED BY THE TAXPAYER. AND SO, I THOUGHT AFTER HEARING A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND AFTER HAVING RUN MY BUSINESS THAT MAYBE WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS MORE THAN ANYTHING AND I SUPPORT CONGRESSMAN DAVIS’ RAINS ACT AND IT IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT I WANT TO STAKE IT A STEP FURTHER AND YOU AND I PUT TOGETHER THE REGULATORY MORATORIUM AND JOB PRESERVATIONS ACT. AND THIS BILL DOES ONE THING, IT SAYS THE GOVERNMENT CAN’T PROMULGATE ANY NEW RULES UNTIL UNEMPLOYMENT GOES BELOW 7.8%. WELL THAT UNEMPLOYMENT AND REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT ARE CONNECTED AND LINKED TOGETHER. I WILL HAVE COLLEAGUES FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE THAT WILL SAY TO ME, YOU KNOW FULL WELL THIS IS ABOUT DEMAND AND DEMAND IS CAUSING THE PROBLEM AND WITHOUT DEMAND, WOMEN AREN’T GOING TO HIRE AND I WOULD SAY BACK THAT EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF REGULATION, EVERY SINGLE PAGE OF TRYING TO COMPLY, EVERY SINGLE PAGE HAS TO BE RESPONDED TO BY SOME BUSINESS OWNER. AND THAT MEANS THAT RESPONSE WILL HAVE A DIRECT COST TO IT. AS YOU PILE ON COSTS AFTER COSTS AFTER COSTS, THERE HAVE BEEN 24,000 NEW RULES PROMULGATED ON THE AMERICAN BUSINESS OWNER SINCE 2004. NEARLY ONE MILLION PAGES OF NEW REGULATIONS. EVERY SINGLE PAGE, PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE ADDS COSTS. AND EVERY SINGLE TIME THE COST OF ANY GOOD OR SERVICE GOES UP, THERE ARE FEWER CUSTOMERS THAT CAN AFFORD THAT PRODUCT. AND SO DEMAND MUST GO DOWN. SO EVERY TIME WE ADD A NEW REGULATION, COSTS GO UP, DEMAND GOES DOWN. FINALLY, WE HAVE COME TO A NEW
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END GAME HERE WITH OVER 9% UNEMPLOYMENT. WE WANTED TO CONNECT OUR BILL TO UNEMPLOYMENT SO WE CAN SHOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, PROVE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IF WE PUT A HOLD ON NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS AND INJECT CERTAINTY IN THIS REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT WHERE BUSINESS OWNERS KNEW WHAT FUTURE COSTS WERE GOING TO BE AND MEASURE FUTURE COSTS BECAUSE GOVERNMENT WON’T PROMULGATE A NEW RULE, THEY WILL HIRE AGAIN. THE NEW CONFIDENCE AND CERTAINTY WILL BE THERE AND UNEMPLOYMENT WILL GO DOWN. AS UNEMPLOYMENT GOES DOWN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL DEMAND THAT WE EXTEND THIS RULE UNTIL UNEMPLOYMENT REACHES 6% OR GET TO FULL EMPLOYMENT. THIS RULE DOES NOT REMOVE A SINGLE, A SINGLE SAFETY NET. THIS RULE DOES NOT REMOVE ANYTHING THAT’S ALREADY THERE. I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY YOU ARE TRYING TO DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT AS IF I DON’T WANT TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR OR DRINK CLEAN WATER OR I WANT MY
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GRANDCHILDREN TO SWIM IN CLEAN LAKES. IT IS RIDICULOUS. I WANT TO BREATHE CLEAN AIR AND DRINK CLEAN WATER AND EAT SAFE FOODS AND THIS BILL WILL DO NOTHING TO REMOVE THOSE PROTECTIONS WHATSOEVER, BUT WHAT IT WILL DO IS STOP THE ADMINISTRATION BY EXECUTIVE FIAT CREATING RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WEREN’T CREATED BY THIS CONGRESS. I WAS LISTENING TO MY FRIEND FROM KENTUCKY AND I WAS STRUCK BY ARTICLE 1, SECTION 1, IT SAYS ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS HERE THEM IN GRANTED SHALL BE VESTED IN THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES WHICH SHALL CONSIST OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATE. THAT WAS PRETTY INCLUSIVE, ALL, IT MEANS ALL OF THEM. AND WHAT THE RAINS ACT DOES, IT SAYS THAT ANY RULE PROMULGATED, THE DUAL ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES GET TO SAY WHETHER THAT IS A LAW OR NOT. WE GET TO SAY, BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION GAVE US THE, THE MEMBERS OF THIS BODY, THE MEMBERS OF THE U.S. SENATE, THE AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE LEGISLATIVE POWER, NOT SOME FEDERAL AGENCY. AND THIS RAINS ACT WILL REIN IT IN. MY BILL AND YOUR BILL WILL EXTEND THIS CONTROL BY THE CONGRESS AND WILL RETURN THE POWER BACK TO OUR LEGISLATIVE,
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CONGRESS. DUAL-ELECTED MEMBERS OF AND WITH THAT, I YIELD BACK. RECLAIMING MY TIME. YOU JUST SAID A MAGIC WORD I REPEAT, RESPONSIBILITY. OUR FOUNDERS DESIGNED OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT SO WE DEFINE RIGHTS IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS BUT ALSO POINTS OUT WHERE THE RESPONSIBILITY LIES. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT WHEN THIS — THESE CREATIONS OF REGULATORY ACTS, IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO AVOID BEING RESPONSIBLE. THEY PASS A LAW IN CONGRESS FOR THE TIMBER INDUSTRY AND THEY GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO A BRANCH OF THE EXECUTIVE TO WRITE RULES TO IMPLEMENT THAT LEGISLATION. AND IT ALLOWS THIS CONGRESS TO HIDE FROM THOSE REGULATIONS. ONE OF THE REASONS I HAVE BEEN TALKING UP HERE FOR A YEAR AND-A-HALF NOW ABOUT REGULATIONS, IT’S TIME THAT WE ALL KNOW OUR RIGHTS AND TIME FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ACCEPTED A
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BE RESPONSIBLE. AND WHEN AN UNKNOWN BUREAUCRAT IN A CUBBYHOLE IN THE VAST JUNGLE OF THIS TOWN CAN WRITE A REGULATION THAT CAN AFFECT THE VERY LIVES OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND HE WILL GET HIS PAY CHECK. HE’S NOT GOING TO GET FIRED AND NOT GET RUN OFF, HE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO DO RULES AND REGULATIONS AND DOESN’T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, HE IS HIDING AS A BUREAUCRAT WITH — BACK THERE IN THE CIVIL SERVICE. AND IT’S TIME FOR THE CONGRESS TO STEP BACK UP, BASED ON THE ARTICLES OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT YOU JUST READ, AND TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN, THOSE OF US WHO ANSWER TO THE PEOPLE, EVERY TWO YEARS AND EVERY SIX YEARS, THEY ARE OUR BOSSES AND THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HIRE US FOR THIS JOB. AND WHEN THEY HAVE ONE OF THESE REGULATIONS, THEY HAVE SOMEBODY THEY CAN GO TO AND SAY, YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING THE REGULATORY
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MORATORIUM AND STOPPING THESE REGULATIONS. THEY ARE KILLING US. LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES, REAL QUICKLY, THAT WE GATHERED ON JUST SOME STUFF — THESE ARE CURRENT EVENTS. THIS IS LOOKING BACK ON CURRENT EVENTS IN THE LAST SIX, EIGHT MONTHS. E.P.A. GREENHOUSE GAS REGULATIONS, POTENTIAL JOB LOSS AS A RESULT OF THOSE REGULATIONS. 1,400,000 000. IN UTILITY REGULATIONS, 1,400,000. OIL AND GAS OFFSHORE DRILLING AND SAID THEY WERE GOING TO INTRODUCE PERMITS AND DON’T DO IT, 430,000 JOBS. ASH AS HAZARDOUS. THIS AFFECTS THIS AREA, 316,000 JOBS. THE NEW BOILER REGULATIONS, 60,000 JOBS. THE ALASKA DRILLING DELAYS, 57,000 JOBS. THE NEW CEMENT KILL IN REGULATIONS, 15,000 JOBS. JUST THAT LITTLE BLOCK 40, 482,000 THAT REGULATION IS GOING TO ADD AT A WHAT TIME WHEN WE HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT AT 9%. BY THE WAY, I LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT YOU INTRODUCED AND EXPLAINED TO ME, GO BACK TO WHAT THE UNEMPLOYMENT WAS AT THE TIME THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION CAME INTO BEING, 7.8%. I THINK THAT’S MORE THAN REASONABLE. UNEMPLOYMENT HAS — SCOMBLUN EMPLOYMENT HAS NEVER BEEN LOWER. RIB RIB I SAT IN HERE AND HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SITTING IN AND THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A REGULATORY REVIEW OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE DOING AND MADE JOKES ABOUT THE RIDICULOUS REGULATIONS. WE HAVE ONE MORE PRESIDENT THAT FOLLOWED THE TRADITION OF THOUSANDS OF PRESIDENTS WHO ORDERED ANOTHER STUDY AND IN THE MEANTIME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SUFFER. THIS IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT CAN CREATE JOBS BUT WHETHER THE GOVERNMENT IS OBSTRUCTING AND THAT’S WHY WE DECIDED TO PICK THAT NUMBER, AND I YIELD BACK. THAT IS CREATIVE THINKING. AND WE NEED TO GET UNEMPLOYMENT BELOW 7.8%. BUT IT’S A GOOD POINT TO START AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TARGET WHAT OUR — WHAT I HONESTLY BELIEVE AND A LOT OF ECONOMISTS AGREE WITH THAT THE REAL SOLUTION TO THIS SITUATION WE’RE IN WITH OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IS TO GET AMERICANS BACK TO WORK. THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES ONE MORE STIMULUS — LAST ONE DIDN’T WORK. THE MASSIVE SPENDING, THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL DEBT WE HAVE ACCUMULATED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS DIDN’T QUITE WORK. IT WASN’T QUITE BIG ENOUGH. WE NEED TO DO IT JUST ONE MORE TIME. AND THIS TIME IT WILL PUSH IT OVER THE TOP. WELL, I DON’T THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE BUYING THAT. THEY ARE WATCHING THE CURRENT EVENTS OF TODAY, WHERE WE LOAN MONEY TO COMPANIES THAT DIDN’T HAVE A CONCEPT THAT WAS GOING TO ITSELF AND THEY ARE GOING BROKE AND THREW MONEY AT A PROBLEM INSTEAD OF PUTTING COMMON SENSE INTO A PROBLEM. LET A BUSINESSMAN AND YOU WERE ONE AND FOR A WHILE IN MY LIFE, I WAS A SMALL BUSINESSMAN, YOU
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CORNER. HAVE TO KNOW WHAT IS AROUND THE YOU CAN’T HIRE SOMEBODY IF THERE IS UNKNOWN AROUND THE CORNER. WHEN YOU HIRE THEM, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO FIRE THEM BECAUSE THE UNKNOWN WILL NOT MAKE IT PROFITABLE WITH THIS PERSON THAT YOU HOPE WOULD NEIGHBORING YOUR BUSINESS PROFITABLE. PEOPLE HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE SOMEBODY GIVES THEM A TAX INCENTIVE OR SOME INCENTIVE AND SOMEBODY GIVES THEM EXTRA MONEY
8547
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NO. THIS MONTH. YOU HIRE SOMEONE TO MAKE YOUR BUSINESS MORE PROFITABLE.
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BUSINESS. IT’S ABOUT PROSPERING IN YOUR IF YOU DON’T NEED SOMEBODY TO PROSPER YOUR BUSINESS, YOU THEM. NOT ALL THE INCENTIVES IN THE WORLD ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU HIRE SOMEONE WHETHER YOU ARE A SMALL BUSINESS OR THE BIGGEST BUSINESS IN THE WORLD. THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS. THE REALITY IS — AND THERE WAS A TIME AND I READ AN ARTICLE ON THIS — THERE WAS A TIME WHEN BUSINESS PLANNING WAS RELATIVELY SHORT-TERM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION WAS THE CONCEPT OF LONG-TERM PLANNING, BUT SHORT-TERM, MID-TERM AND LONG-TERM PLANNING FOR ON BUSINESSMAN BECAUSE YOU NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT WAS NOT ONLY AROUND FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS BUT THE NEXT 10 YEARS. THAT’S WHY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT THESE TAX BILLS WE HAVE PASSED THAT WILL END ON A CERTAIN DATE, WELL, IF YOU KNOW IT’S GOING TO END, YOU HAVE TO PLAN AROUND IT. AVOID IT, BUT WHEN THE DROP-END DATE COMES UP, BUSINESSMEN ARE LOOKING AND SAY WHAT DOES TCHA MEAN TO MY BOTTOM
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I DON’T KNOW. LINE. I’M NOT EXPANDING MY BUSINESS OR NOT BUILDING A BUSINESS. AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. THE UNREGULATIONS IN THE MINDS OF REGULATORS COULD CHANGE MY
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.
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WORLD, COULD ABSOLUTELY SHAKE MY WORLD. THE UNKNOWN, WHICH IS THE NEW FINANCIAL REGULATIONS WHICH HAS MADE FINANCIAL UNKNOWN, WHETHER IT’S THE HIDDEN FEES IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL, OR WHETHER IT’S SOMETHING WE ARE SURPRISED TO GET, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE ARE SITTING WITH OUR HANDS IN OUR POCKET. WE’RE NOT DOING ANYTHING UNTIL WHAT’S GOING ON. THAT’S WHY THIS MORATORIUM IS PERFECT.
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WILL THE GENTLEMAN PERFECT. YIELD?
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I THINK — KEARTKEAR YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THERE’S SOMETHING TO HIT ON. WE AND I BELIEVE, AS MANY DO OUR COLLEAGUES AND MORE IMPORTANTLY SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND LARGE BUSINESS OWNERS THINKS THIS BILL WILL INCREASE EMPLOYMENT. THE VERY INTERESTING POINT IS IT DOESN’T COST THE TAXPAYER A PENNY. THIS — WHAT THIS WILL CAUSE IS THAT BUSINESSES WHO’VE NOW BEEN PUTTING THEIR MONEY IN THE BACK AND HAVE BEEN HOLDING IT BECAUSE OF FEAR. WE WILL UNLEASH THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE SECTOR, BACK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO CREATE JOBS AND GET THIS ECONOMY GOING AND NOT A SINGLE PENNY OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS WILL BE EXPENDED AS A RESULT OF THIS. THIS IS A SIMPLE THING. YOU KNOW, SINCE THE PRESIDENT TALKED TO US BACK IN JANUARY, OVER 70,000 PAGES HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE FEDERAL REGISTER. HAVE BEEN DEEMED SIGNIFICANT UNDER THE EXECUTIVE ORDER 12866. STOP AND THINK ABOUT THESE NUMBERS. 116.3 MILLION HOURS OF ANNUAL PAPERWORK BURDEN BEING ADDED. AND ALL OF THIS CONTINUES TO CREATE THAT UNCERTAINTY. WHY WOULD YOU AS A BUSINESS OWNER SPEND ANY MONEY WHEN YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THAT FUTURE COST WILL BE? AND JUST RECENTLY I WAS TALKING TO SOME FRIENDS OF MINE IN MY DISTRICT AT A PAPER COMPANY. HOMETOWN WHERE MY ROOFING COMPANY IS. AND THEY WERE SHARING WITH ME THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE E.P.A. CLEAN AIR RULING IN A NEW RULE CALLED BOILER MACT. THEY SAID IF THAT RULE WAS PROMULGATED, WISCONSIN’S PAPER INDUSTRY WILL BE DECIMATED. WHAT’S TROUBLING IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS A REVISION OF A
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FEW YEARS AGO. RULE THAT THEY PUT IN PLACE A THE ENTIRE PAPER INDUSTRY IN WISCONSIN HAD TO UPGRADE THEIR BOILERS, SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INVESTMENT AND THEN YEARS LATER THE E.P.A. SAID, OOPS, WE MADE A MISTAKE. WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE THE BAR UP AGAIN. THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE CALLING THEIR CONGRESSMAN, THIS TIME IT’S ME, I’M SURE THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT ARE ASKING, IF WE SPEND $50 MILLION OR $60 MILLION, WHAT ASSURANCE DO WE HAVE THAT THE E.P.A. WON’T MOVE THE BAR NEXT YEAR AND WE HAVE TO SPEND IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN? AT WHAT POINT IS CLEAN AIR CLEAN AIR? AND THAT’S THE PROBLEM.
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I’LL TELL YOU, IT WILL BE VERY SIMPLE. WHEN YOU START TALKING IN THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, IT IS VERY SIMPLE TO LOSE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF JOBS. AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE OUR NATIONAL ECONOMY IS AT RIGHT NOW. THIS HAS BEEN AN ONSLAUGHT OF REGULATIONS DUMPED ON THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEUR.
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ACCESS TO CREDIT. LET’S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU KNOW, I’VE BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE DRANK BILL. I UNDERSTAND THE — CRITICAL OF THE DODD-FRANK BILL. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT WAS TO AND I UNDERSTAND THE FINANCIAL THINGS IN 2008. IN APPLETON THEY’RE HIRING ANALYSTS WHEN THEY OUGHT TO BE
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HIRING COMMERCIAL LENDERS. MOST JOBS CREATING IN THIS COUNTRY IS CREATED BY SMALL BUSINESS. BUT IN REALITY IT’S REALLY SMALL BUSINESSES UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD, BUSINESSES THAT NEED ACCESS TO CREDIT. I OFTEN WONDER, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE STEVE JOBS BE ABLE TO EMERGE IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT TODAY BUILDING COMPUTERS IN HIS GARAGE. I’M SURE THERE IS A RULE AGAINST THAT NOW AND YOU CAN’T IMAGINE. I CHUCKLED THE OTHER DAY WHEN I SAW A FAMOUS TELEVISION HOST ON MSNBC STANDING BY THE HOOVER DAM SAYING WE NEED BIG PROJECTS LIKE THIS, BIG THINKING PROJECTS LIKE THIS. THEY CREATED JOBS. THIS WAS THE BOOM DAY OF THE AMERICAN MIND. AND I HAD TO CHUCKLE THINKING, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY WITH THE CURRENT E.P.A. THAT YOU COULD EVER, EVER BUILD A HOOVER DAM TODAY. IT JUST WOULDN’T HAPPEN. THE ENVIRONMENTAL RULES ALONE WOULDN’T ALLOW FOR IT AND I YIELD BACK. ABSOLUTELY. YOU’D BE DEALING WITH THE E.P.A. YOU’D BE DEALING WITH FISH. YOU’D BE DEALING WITH THE SITUATION ON — ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THAT’S CLEAR DOWN TO THE MICROSCOPIC ANIMALS THAT YOU CAN’T EVEN SEE. ALL THAT. THERE’S NO WAY THE HOOVER DAM WOULD GET BUILT LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A THING ON HISTORY2, I GUESS IT WAS NIGHT BEFORE LAST ABOUT BUILDING OF THE ALASKAN HIGHWAY AND THE — WE HAD GONE TO WAR WITH JAPAN AND EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THE UNITED STATES AND SAID, MY GOSH, THE ISLANDS PART OF THE ALASKAN — THAT TIME THE ALASKAN TERRITORY, THEY’RE RIGHT CLOSE TO THE JAPANESE AND THEY’RE PROBABLY GOING TO INVADE THOSE ISLANDS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET MATERIALS, SUPPLIES AND MEN UP TO ALASKA? THERE WAS NO ROAD BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND ALASKA. NOBODY CHECKED A SINGLE REGULATORY ACT. NOBODY DID ANYTHING BUT SAY, GET EVERY BULLDOZER WE GOT AND HEAD FOR THE BORDER. WE’RE CUTTING THE ROAD STRAIGHT UP THROUGH CANADA.
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THERE. WE’LL DESIGN IT ALL THE WAY UP
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UP THERE. WE’LL DIRECTION IT ON THE WAY AND THEY TOOK OFF AND THEY BUILT A ROAD. IT WAS A GRAVEL ROAD, BUT IT WAS THE FIRST ROAD THAT CONNECTED THE LOWER 48 TO ALASKA. AND I LOOKED AT THAT THING AND SAID, MY GOSH, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE GOTTEN A MILE AND A HALF BEFORE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN JOINED BY EVERY KIND OF GROUP ON GOD’S GREEN EARTH IN THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE PRESENT REGULATIONS WE HAVE IN PLACE, NOT EVEN EXPANDED REGULATIONS WHICH ARE GETTING WORSE. THE PRESENT REGULATIONS. SO WHEN THE PRESIDENT MADE THAT FAMOUS STATEMENT NOW THAT I ENJOYED VERY MUCH, HE LAUGHED AND SAID, I FOUND OUT THAT SHOVEL READY TODAY IS NOT REALLY SHOVEL READY. AND IT’S EXACTLY THE SAME REGULATIONS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE THAT KEEPS IT FROM BEING SHOVEL READY. WE’RE BUILDING A — ABOUT A 21-MILE STRETCH OF HIGHWAY IN
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MY HOME COUNTY, TRYING TO BUILD ONE.
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WE HAVE BEEN AT IT FOR EIGHT YEARS. THE MONEY’S IN PLACE. SECTION 1 HAS BULLDOZERS SITTING ON THE GROUND. SECTION 1 HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND WE’RE STILL TRYING TO GET 21 MILES OF ROAD BUILT. THE REGULATIONS. I WILL SAY NOW AFTER A LITTLE WORK ON OUR PART SOME REGULATORS ARE BEING PRETTY REASONABLE AND WE WANT TO THANK THEM FOR IT. BUT THE DAYS OF THE HOOVER DAM AND THE ALASKAN HIGHWAY WILL NEVER COME BACK. NOT WITH THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT WE HAVE HERE. WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT
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FARTHER. LET THIS THING EXPAND ANY WE’RE NOT TRYING TO GET — KILL SPECIES. WE’RE NOT TRYING TO MESS UP THE AIR LIKE YOU SAID OR THE WATER. WE’RE TRYING TO SAY, WE’VE GOT A GOOD SITUATION IN PLACE. AND BY THE WAY, MR. PRESIDENT, IF IT’S A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE OR A NATIONAL EMERGENCY, SUBMIT IT TO US. TELL US WHAT THE EMERGENCY IS. LET’S VISIT WITH IT. IF THAT’S THE CASE, THIS CONGRESS WILL BE REASONABLE. I THINK THAT’S VERY — IF WE NEED REVIEW OF THE COURTS AND THE INDIVIDUALS NEED REVIEW OF THE COURTS, WE’LL PROVIDE THAT IN HERE. IT’S VERY RESPECTFUL OF OTHER
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PEOPLE’S CONSIDERATION ON THESE RIGHTS. THAT’S ANOTHER — FOR A SMALL BILL, THERE’S A LOT OF GOOD THINKING IN THIS BILL. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS — LET ME JUST READ YOU SOMETHING. THIS CAME OUT IN THE “COLUMBUS DISPATCH.” THIS IS A QUOTE. THE PRESIDENT’S REGULATORY PUSH AS A USURP HAS BLOCKED A SECTOR DECISIONMAKING NECESSARY FOR JOB CREATION. DECISIONMAKING, IT IS, THERE’S A DASH. OBAMA’S MASSIVE INTRUSION IN THE HEART OF THE NATION’S ECONOMY HAS NOT HELPED. RUNNING ROUGHSHOD OVER THE BANKS, IMPOSING NEW REGULATORY REGIME ON THE FINANCIAL SECTOR AND SPENDING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS ON — OF BORROWED DOLLARS WITH NO GREAT BENEFIT, ADD TO THIS THE RECENT ACTIONS OF THE DEMOCRAT-CONTROLLED NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD, PERHAPS IT’S MOST DAMAGING MOVE HAS BEEN TO BRING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURE, BOEING COMPANY, FOR BEING A
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CAROLINA. MANUFACTURING PLANT IN SOUTH THE NLRB SEEKS TO PUNISH A COMPANY FOR CREATING NEW JOBS AT A TIME WHEN UNEMPLOYMENT IS MORE THAN 9% AND THE NATION’S
8905
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ECONOMIC GROWTH BARELY REGISTERS. THE CHILLING EFFECT OF — ON OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE THAT ARE CONSUMING
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INCALCULABLE. THE IDEAS OF BUILDING PLANTS IS THESE MOVES HAVE COWED, USURP, BLOCKED THE DECISIONS THAT — DECISIONMAKING THAT IS NECESSARY TO GET THIS NATION MOVING AGAIN. THERE’S A QUOTE FROM THE “COLUMBUS DISPATCH”, 9/5/11, THIS YEAR. THAT’S A PERFECT STATEMENT OF A BIG PICTURE OF THE REGULATORY BURDEN THAT’S MADE THE PAPERS. BUT ARE YOU CAN HAVE JUST AS MUCH TROUBLE WITH ONE BIG. SO WE GOT TO — AS WE DEAL WITH THIS, WE’VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, KINGS X UNTIL WE GET THIS ECONOMY BACK ROLLING. I WILL ONCE AGAIN YIELD TO MY FRIEND AND YOU TELL ME IF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR YIELDING BACK. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AS THE PRESIDENT WAS IN HERE A FEW
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I WAS STRUCK. WEEKS BACK WITH HIS JOBS BILL. I ACTUALLY CAME INTO THE CHAMBER AND WITH THE INTENT OF NOT REALLY BEING CRITICAL BUT WHAT IS IT WE COULD AGREE ON SO WE COULD MAYBE FOR THE GOOD OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MOVE THINGS FORWARD. I TELL YOU, I WAS STRUCK THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T MENTION ENERGY A SINGLE TIME. WE JUST LOST MILLIONS OF JOBS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR. JUST RECENTLY THE PRESIDENT DECIDED TO PUNT ON KEYSTONE, THE CANADA PIPELINE WHICH WOULD HAVE CREATED THOUSANDS OF JOBS — HIGH-PAYING UNION JOBS, FULLY LABOR WAS SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND DECIDED TO KIND OF PUNT ON THAT. IT SEEMED LIKE THE PRESIDENT’S JOBS PLAN IS REALLY AT THE REGULATORY AGENCIES WHERE SINCE HE’S BEEN SWORN INTO OFFICE EMPLOYMENT HAS INCREASED 13%. THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS SHEDDING MILLIONS OF JOBS, THE PRESIDENT HAS DECIDED TO HIRE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AT FEDERAL REGULA FORE AGENCIES. I GUESS IT’S MAYBE SO THEY CAN IMPLEMENT THE 3,573 NEW RULES THERE HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE SINCE JANUARY, 2010. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN EMPLOYMENT, THE CONNECTION BETWEEN COST AND JOBS. AND JUST AMERICAN COMPETITIVENESS. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE HAVE BUSINESSES COMPETE IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHEN THERE’S A CONSTANT
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GOVERNMENT? ONSLAUGHT FROM THE FEDERAL I JUST THOUGHT I MIGHT READ A QUOTE FROM CNBC. WE HAVE SEVERAL C.E.O.’S LEADING UP TO THIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT’S SPEECH, WHAT BOLD STEPS PRESIDENT OBAMA COULD TAKE TO REDUCE THE 9.1% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. JOHN SCHWARTZ, SHARME AND C.E.O. OF ENERGY 21 SAID, IF THE GOVERNMENT WOULD GET OUT OF THE WAY FROM ARE REGULATION STANDPOINT, 21, DO WHAT WE DO, YOU’LL SEE US CONTINUE TO HIRE AND GROW THIS ECONOMY. I THINK THAT’S A MESSAGE FROM
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SHIRLER. THE BOARD, SHOULD AND I BELIEVE IT IS A —
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MESSAGE. SCHILLER, AND I BELIEVE IT IS A IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH FULLY UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS ECONOMY
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. ACTUALLY WORKS. OBSTACLE EACH RULE AND REGULATION HURTING JOB GROWTH AND EMPLOYMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.
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CAPITAL. DAVID PARK, C.E.O. OF AUSTIN WE ARE COMING AT BUSINESSES AND THEY ARE TAKING A TOLL. THIS WILL BE A DETERRANT TO ENTREPRENEURS. COMPANIES UNDER FIVE YEARS OLD, THE DIFFICULTY AND FORMING A COMPANY IS BURDENSOME AND HUGELY COMPLEX ALL BECAUSE OF THIS ENDLESS CONTROL AND REGULATION. YOU AND I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS? WE DON’T HAVE THE ANSWERS. THE ANSWERS ARE FOUND IN THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY. WE PASSED A BILL THE OTHER DAY ON BALLA SMP T WATER. AND I SIT ON THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND I NOTICED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO PROMULGATE RULES FOR SHIPS THAT COME INTO THE UNITED STATES AND TRAVERSE THROUGHOUT THE GREAT LAKES. MY HOME IS IN APPLETON, WISCONSIN AND WE HAVE THE PORT OF GREEN BAY THERE AND THE CONCERN WAS, AS I WAS READING THE BILL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXEMPTED THEMSELVES AND TRADING A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF RED TAPE, RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WERE GOING TO PUT ON SHIPS AND NOT ON THEMSELVES AND NOT HAVE TO MANAGE BA LMP LAST WATER AND I THIS BODY PASSED IT THAT IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PASS RULES, THEY HAVE TO LIVE BY THE SAME RULES THEMSELVES AND HIGH TIME THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TREATS THE GOVERNMENT THE SAME WAY THEY TREAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND IF WE START DOING THAT TYPE OF THING, SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS WILL GO AWAY AND I YIELD BACK. THAT IS GOOD COMMON SENSE. WE APPRECIATE IT. CONGRESSMAN RIBBLE, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL IN THE SENATE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THAT. THERE IS A COMPANION BILL, IDENTICAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION. IT WAS CRAFTED BY SENATOR RON JOHNSON, A COLLEAGUE OF MINE FROM THE GREAT STATE OF WISCONSIN. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO DO A PROJECT TOGETHER AND WE TALK QUITE OFTEN AND THE IDEA OF ATTACHING THE MORATORIUM TO UNEMPLOYMENT WAS SENATOR JOHNSON’S IDEA AND HE NOW HAS A COMPANION PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND TOLD ME THERE IS MORE THAN 20 CO-SPONSORS AND THIS BILL HAS 70 CO-SPONSORS HERE IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD AND I’M OPTIMISTIC WE CAN PASS THIS BILL. DOESN’T REMOVE A SINGLE SAFETY OR PUT SOMETHING OUT OF THE WAY THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE BUT SAYS LET’S GIVE THE AMERICAN ENTREPRENEUR SOME BREATHING SPACE AND GIVE THEM SOME ROOM TO JUST HAVE SOME CERTAINTY FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL UNEMPLOYMENT STARTS TO GET GOING AND THE ENGINE OF OUR ECONOMY STARTS MOVING AGAIN. AND I HOPE THAT AND I CHALLENGE THE UNITED STATES SENATE THAT AFTER WE SEND THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION OVER TO THEM THAT THEY GO AHEAD AND PASS IT. IT, LET THE U.S. SENATE HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT. THEY HAVE A METHOD OVER THERE WHERE THEY CAN PROTECT MEMBERS FROM HAVING TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS AND TABLE A PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND I WOULD CHALLENGE THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER WHEN WE SEND H.R. 2989 THAT THEY BRING IT TO A VOTE AND HAVE OUR U.S. SENATE STAND UP AND SAY WHETHER THEY AGREE WITH IT OR NOT AND GO ON THE RECORD WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVE THAT REGULATIONS IS A PROBLEM IN THIS ECONOMY OR NOT. ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE OVER 20 BILLS THAT COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO TURN THIS ECONOMY AROUND AND HAVE BEEN TABLED, I HOPE THEY WILL ASK THEMSELVES, WHY DID THE SENATE TABLE MY JOBS, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ABOUT JOBS. WHEN YOU TABLE A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, YOU ARE TABLING SOMEBODY’S JOB. THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND AND ONCE YOU START THINKING ABOUT IT, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THEY
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HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THE PIPELINE. I HAPPEN TO HAVE SPENT EVERY SUMMER OF MY LIFE FROM THE TIME I WAS 15 UNTIL I GRADUATED FROM LAW SCHOOL, WORKING ON PIPELINES. I HAVE WORKED ON PIPELINES IN TEXAS, LOUISIANA AND OVERSEAS IN BELGIUM AND EUROPE. I’M AN OLD LABORER ON THE PIPELINE. WHEN YOU HEAR PIPELINE YOU THINK PIPELINE OF THE PIPELINE. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN LAYING A PIPELINE AND THE NUMBER OF ASSORTED JOBS YOU DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT, ARE OVERWHELMING. IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU HAVE TO CUT ROADS OUT TO WHERE THE PIPELINE IS GOING TO BE. YOU HAVE ROAD BUILDERS AND GRAVEL HAULERS AND ASPHALT LAYERS. YOU’VE GOT THE PIPE, THE PIPE INDUSTRY IS MAKING PIPE, THE WELDERS ARE WELDING THE JOINTS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SURVEYING ARE SURVEYING THE PROJECT. THE HEAVY MACHINERY IS DIGGING THE DITCH, MANY INDIVIDUALS ARE CLEANING THE DITCH WITH A HAND SHOVEL BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN WAY OR ELSE YOU WILL HAVE A PIPE THAT WILL HAVE AN ELECTRICAL CHARGE ON IT. ENGINEERS ARE ENGINEERING. SCIENTISTS ARE STUDYING. IT IS BEING TESTED SO YOU SEE WHAT STRESS LEVELS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE. IT CREATES JOBS, NOT JUST A PIPE, BUT ALL THIS HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF INDUSTRIES THAT ARE TIED TO LAYING A PIPELINE. IF YOU ARE DRILLING AN OIL WELL, SAME THING. THOSE OFFSHORE DRILLING RIGS, YOU KNOW WHO GOT HURT BAD ON THAT, THE PEOPLE WHO FEED THOSE PEOPLE AND HELICOPTER PILOTS THAT FLY THE FOOD OUT THERE. I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE, HAVE SHUT DOWN RESTAURANTS AND CLOSED DOWN HELICOPTER BUSINESSES. AND WE FORGET THE LITTLE GUYS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICES TO THE BIG EXXON MOBIL OR SOMETHING PLATFORM OUT THERE. BUT IN REALITY THERE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES CONNECTED TO ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS. MINIMUM NUMBER OF JOBS HAS BEEN ESTIMATED TO BE 25,000 JOBS. I CAN TELL YOU, UNLESS THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE I WAS A KID, THE BEST PAYING JOB THAT I COULD FIND IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR A KID MY AGE AND I WORKED IT SINCE I WAS 26 YEARS OLD AND STILL THE BEST PAYING JOB FOR A PART-TIME JOB ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS OR EUROPE. BUT THE POINT BEING THERE IS A DOMINOE EFFECT WHEN THERE IS A BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS OR THE LUMBER INDUSTRY YOU WERE DESCRIBING IN YOUR STATE OR THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY ON THE GREAT LAKES, IT’S NOT JUST SHIPS THAT
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ARE INVOLVED IN THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY. IT’S HUNDREDS OF OTHER PROFESSIONS ARE INVOLVED IN THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY. AND WHEN WE START THINKING THAT CONCEPT, AND WE SEE, WHEN YOU HIT THE BIG GUY, PEOPLE AROUND THIS COUNTRY HAVE THE IDEA THAT BIG THINGS ARE BAD AND DON’T REALIZE IT TAKES HUNDREDS AND SOMETIMES THOUSANDS OF LITTLE GUYS TO KEEP THE BIG GUYS’ PROJECT GOING AND THEY ARE ALL MAKING A LIVING AND RAISING THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR HOMES BASED UPON THAT PROJECT. THIS IS THE CONCEPT OF WHAT CAPITALISM DOES AND FREE ENTERPRISE DOES FOR OUR COUNTRY. AND WHEN THE REGULATORS STOP THE PIPELINE OR A MORATORIUM AFTER THE ELECTION SO YOU WON’T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE ELECTION TIME, THAT HURTS THE LITTLE GUYS AS WELL AS BIG GUYS. AND IT’S THE WRONG CONCEPT. YOU GOT — WE’VE GOT TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY ONCE AGAIN PROSPER. AND IT TAKES A LOT OF THINGS TO MAKE IT PROSPER. SO WE’RE JUST ASKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT NOT TO BE ONE OF THE HINDRANCES AND THAT’S WHAT THIS MAKES A GREAT BILL. I THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME. WE ARE ABOUT OUT OF TIME. AND I THANK YOU FOR JOINING ME AND EXPLAINING THE BILL AND ALLOWING ME TO BE THE ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR ON THIS BILL. I WILL DO EVERYTHING WITHIN MY POWER TO ASSIST YOU IN GETTING THIS BILL TO THIS FLOOR AND PASSING THIS HOUSE AND HOPEFULLY SENATOR JOHNSON WILL GET IT DONE IN THE SENATE AND HELP HIM WHERE WE CAN AND WILL BE GOOD FOR AMERICA TO SAY TIME OUT. TIME OUT ON THESE REGULATIONS. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER TO SAY, MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. UNDER THE SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCED POLICY OF JANUARY 5, 2011, THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, MR. GONZALEZ, IS RECOGNIZED FOR 60 MINUTES AS THE DESIGNEE OF THE MINORITY LEADER. I WANT TO START OFF BY ASKING FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT ALL MEMBERS HAVE FIVE LEGISLATIVE DAYS TO REVISE AND EXTEND THEIR REMARKS AND INCLUDE EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL ON THE SUBJECT OF MY SPECIAL ORDER TONIGHT.
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. MR. SPEAKER, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING I THANK THE DEMOCRATIC LEADER, MS. PELOSI FOR GIVING ME THIS TIME. I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR JOINING ME IN A FEW MINUTES BUT I’M VERY SORRY TO BE HERE IN A CERTAIN RESPECT. I’M SORRY BECAUSE I STAND HERE TO TALK ABOUT THREATS TO THE RIGHT OF AMERICAN CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY TO GO TO THE POLLS AND CAST A BALLOT IN OUR ELECTIONS. THE SINGLE MOST FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF OUR DEMOCRACY IS THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND THAT RIGHT IS UNDER ATTACK. MR. SPEAKER, THERE IS NO RIGHT MENTIONED MORE OFTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION THAN THE RIGHT TO VOTE. IN THE PAST 207 YEARS, WE HAVE AMENDED THE CONSTITUTION 15 TIMES. SEVEN OF THOSE AMENDMENTS, ALMOST HALF OF THE AMENDMENTS OVER THE LAST TWO CENTURIES ARE ABOUT PROTECTING IN THE WORDS OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, THE RIGHT TO VOTE. MINORITIES, WOMEN, ADULTS OVER POOR CITIZENS, AND, OF COURSE, CITIZENS OF OUR NATION’S CAPITAL, AT LEAST IF ONLY FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, ALL OF THESE GROUPS
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CONSTITUTION. RIGHT HAVE BEEN ENSHRINED IN OUR IT IS TROUBLING TO SEE STATES PASSING LAWS THAT WILL MAKE IT HARDER FOR CITIZENS TO VOTE, WHETHER BY DENYING THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON CHURCH ON SUNDAY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TAKE TIME OFF OR REQUIRING THEM TO SPEND TIME AND MONEY TO PROCURE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND PHOTO I.D. THEY ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG. HOPEFULLY I WILL BE JOINED BY SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES, BUT I DO WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME EXPLAINING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND MY COLLEAGUES WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT AND I’M GOING TO START OFF BY THE PHOTO I.D. VOTER REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS BEING PASSED, OBVIOUSLY, OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND ENACTED FOR THE 2012 ELECTION. WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PHOTO I.D.? IT IS NOT JUST A PHOTO I.D. BUT ONE THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF A PARTICULAR STATE’S LAWS. YOU WILL SAY HOW ONEROUS CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE? IT ISN’T JUST A GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PHOTO I.D. THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED. IT HAS REQUIREMENTS. I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT BASICALLY MY IDENTIFICATION AND MY VOTING CARD THAT ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS USE WOULD NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS, BUT SHOULD NOT COME AS ANY SURPRISE, BECAUSE IF YOU ARE A VETERAN AND YOU HAVE HAVE A PHOTO I.D. THAT ALLOWS THE VETERANS’ HOSPITAL IN SAN ANTONIO TONE YEOH, THAT WILL NOT SUFFICE UNDER TEXAS LAW. IF YOU ARE A STUDENT IN ONE OF OUR STATE-SUPPORTED INSTITUTIONS AND HAS YOUR NAME AND PHOTO, THAT ISN’T GOING TO MEET THE
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REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. SO YOU WOULD ASK, WHY WOULD WE PASS THESE LAWS? WHAT IS THE NEED? WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT? BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW IF YOU ARE IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE OR THIS GREAT HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE DON’T PASS UNNECESSARY LAWS, SO THERE MUST BE A PURPOSE BEHIND THESE PHOTO I.D. LAWS AS WELL AS OTHER LAWS THAT ARE RESTRICTING THE LAWS OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS. IT IS TO STOP FRAUD. THE PHOTO I.D., ITS WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO STOP PEOPLE FROM IMPERSONATING AN INELIGIBLE VOTER AND YOU MIGHT SAY THIS IS HAPPENING ACROSS THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND THAT’S WHY WE NEED THIS GREAT LAW.
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PEOPLE ARE IMPERSONATING OTHER PEOPLE. PEOPLE MIGHT BE IMPERSONATING AN INELIGIBLE VOTER.
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LET’S DISCUSS THE PURPOSE OF THE VOTER I.D. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THE STATE OF KANSAS. THE SECRETARY OF STATE PUSHED AN I.D. LAW ON THE BASIS OF THE LIST OF 221 REPORTED INSTANCES OF VOTER FRAUD. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE OCCURRED IN KANSAS SINCE THE YEAR OF 1997. FROM 1997 FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS, 221 REPORTED INSTANCES OF VOTER FRAUD. WHEN THE NEWSPAPER, “WISH TA EAGLE” LOOKED INTO THE CASES, THEY FOUND ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE HONEST MISTAKES, NONE WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE PERPETRATED BY SOMEONE IMPERSONATING WHO THEY WERE NOT. A GREAT EXAMPLE, AND I HAVE TO READ YOU THE EXCERPT FROM THE
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. WICITA EAGLE.” IT RAISED THE EXPECTSER OF THE DEAD VOTING IN KANSAS. HE SAID IN A NEWS CONFERENCE THURSDAY THAT 9,766 DECEASED PEOPLE WERE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN KANSAS. QUOTE, EVERY ONE OF THOSE 1,966 IDENTITIES IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR VOTER FRAUD WAITING TO HAPPEN, HE SAID. FURTHERMORE, HE SAID, SOME WERE STILL CASTING BALLOTS. DEAD PEOPLE IN KANSAS WERE VOTING.
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HE GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE PERSON. ALFRED K. BREWER, A REPUBLICAN, REGISTERED IN SEDGWICK COUNTY WITH A BIRTH DATE LISTED 1, 1900. BREWER, ACCORDING TO THE COMPARISON OF SOCIAL SECURITY RECORDS AND THE KANSAS VOTER ROLLS HAD DIED IN 1996, YET HAD VOTED IN THE AUGUST PRIMARY AND THAT WAS THE ALLEGATION. REACHED THURSDAY AT HIS HOME WHILE HE WAS RAKING LEAVES, BREWER, AGE 78, WAS SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD. QUOTE, I DON’T THINK THIS IS HEAVEN. NOT WHEN I’M RAKING LEAVES. THOSE ARE EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE. NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF VOTER FRAUD BASED ON SOMEONE IMPERSON ATING SOMEONE WHO THEY SHOULDN’T BE ON ELECTION DAY. NOW, BETWEEN THE YEARS 2002 AND 2007, A MAJOR DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, OF COURSE, HAD A PROBE INTO VOTER FRAUD. THE RESULT WAS FAILURE TO PROSECUTE A SINGLE PERSON FOR IMPERSON ATING INELIGIBLE VOTER. ZERO, ZERO PROSECUTIONS AFTER TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MANPOWER, ENERGY AND MONEY, NOTHING HAPPENED. NOW, THE BRANDON CENTER FOR JUSTICE, THE CASES FOR VOTER FRAUD, WHAT IS IT? SO IF YOU HAVE A LAW THAT IS ADDRESSING A PARTICULAR OFFENSIVE-TYPE BEHAVIOR THAT OBVIOUSLY HURTS THIS GREAT REPUBLIC OF OURS SUCH AS VOTER FRAUD, SURELY WE MUST HAVE DEMONSTRATED TANGIBLE, VERIFIABLE CASES OUT THERE. BUT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” IN AN EDITORIAL — I SHOULD SAY “THE WASHINGTON POST” IN AN EDITORIAL WAS LOOKING INTO THE NUMBER OF ALLEGED VOTER FRAUD, AND THESE ARE ALL PREDICATED ON VOTER I.D. IT CAN BE SOME OTHER TYPE OF FRAUD THAT IS BEING PERPETRATED, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE CASES THAT HAVE EVER BEEN ALLEGED, THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL VOTE CAST. OF THOSE THAT MIGHT BE SUSPECT — BECAUSE YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THERE WILL BE A PRICE WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS LAW AND THAT IS IT’S GOING TO DISENFRANCHISE THE ELIGIBLE VOTER. IN PURSUIT OF THE PHANTOM ILLEGAL VOTER. IN MISSOURI, IF YOU TOOK ALL OF THEIR COMPLAINTS, IT WOULD AMOUNT TO WHEN COMPARED TO THE TOTAL VOTER TURNOUT TO .0003%.
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.000009%. IN NEW YORK IT WOULD AMOUNT TO
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.00002%. IN NEW JERSEY IT WOULD BE SO WHERE IS THE VOTER FRAUD? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN PASSING THESE LAWS BY THE DIFFERENT STATE LEGISLATURES? WE HAD A RECENT OCCURRENCE — AND THIS WAS NOT EVEN A VOTER I.D. CASE — BUT THIS IS WHERE THE SECRETARY OF STATE IN COLORADO, MR. GUESSLER, WAS VOTERS FROM THE VOTING LIST AND NOT FORWARDING BALLOTS FOR VOTING BASED ON THAT PARTICULAR VOTER NOT HAVING VOTED IN 2010. DIDN’T MATTER IF THEY VOTED PREVIOUSLY TO THAT. IF THEY DID NOT VOTE IN 2010, THEN THEY WERE DROPPED FROM THE ROLLS.
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AND WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT? WELL, THERE’S POTENTIAL VOTER
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FRAUD. POTENTIAL VOTER FRAUD. BUT THEY COULD NOT — THE SECRETARY OF STATE WHEN THEY FINALLY WENT TO COURT COULD NOT ADDRESS, COULD NOT DEMONSTRATE, COULD NOT OFFER INTO EVIDENCE ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD. NOT ONE. BASED ON HIS SUSPICION OR CONJECTURE. IN 2006 IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS, MY HOME STATE, THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD A PRESS RELEASE AND IT WAS ENTITLED “LET’S STAMP OUT VOTER FRAUD IN TEXAS.” SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD THING TO DO. HE COULD NOT NAME ONE, NOT ONE SINGLE CASE OF FRAUD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED BY A VOTER I.D. LAW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. I SEE I’VE BEEN JOINED AT THIS TIME BY ONE OF MY DEAR COLLEAGUES AND I’D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE HIM AND YIELD AT THIS TIME TO MY COLLEAGUE, THE GREAT REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE GREAT STATE OF NEW JERSEY, RUSH HOLT,
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AND AS MUCH TIME AS HE NEEDS TO CONSUME. I THANK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS, AND I THANK HIM VERY MUCH FOR SETTING ASIDE SOME TIME FOR THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A CENTURY AGO THE SUPREME COURT DESCRIBED THE RIGHT TO VOTE AS THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT IN OUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT IS THE PRESERVE TIF OF ALL OTHER — PRESERVEATIVE OF ALL OTHER RIGHTS. INDEED, THAT’S TRUE. MANY YEARS LATER, HALF A CENTURY AGO, PRESIDENT LYNDON JOHNSON SAID THAT, QUOTE, THE VOTE IS THE MOST POWERFUL INSTRUMENT EVER DEVISED BY MAN FOR BREAKING DOWN INJUSTICE. THE VOTE IS LIFEBLOOD OF SELF-GOVERNMENT AND IT’S ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL WAYS THAT CITIZENS CAN AFFECT CHANGE. THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTORAL PROCESS IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ENSURING THAT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS HEARD. I OFTEN SAY THAT A SELF-GOVERNING COUNTRY SUCH AS OURS WORKS ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IT DOES. AND WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERY AMERICAN KNOWS THAT EVERY VOTE COUNTS, THAT EVERY VOTE WILL BE COUNTED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING HOW COMPLICATED — IT’S NOT AS SIMPLE AS WE WOULD ALL LIKE IT TO BELIEVE — HOW COMPLICATED IT IS THAT WE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND AT THE STATE LEVEL ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THE FRANCHISE, TO PROTECT THE FRANCHISE OF EACH CITIZEN TO CAST HIS VOTE. AND IT’S NOT JUST THAT WE WANT TO PROTECT THIS AS A RIGHT. IT’S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DESIRE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY THAT WE GET THE DIVERSITY OF OPINION. WELL, WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS IN STATE AFTER STATE THERE’S LEGISLATION THAT’S INTENDED TO EXCLUDE SOME OPINIONS, EXCLUDE SOME INDIVIDUALS, EXDIAGNOSISCLUDE SOME GROUPS. OF COURSE, — EXCLUDE SOME GROUPS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT’S WORKED DILIGENTLY, YES, THROUGH FEDERAL LAW TO CORRECT. IT WAS KNOWN AS A POLL TAX. THERE ARE ALSO LITERACY TESTS. INTENDED TO EXCLUDE AFRICAN-AMERICANS FROM NOT JUST THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE BUT FROM THEIR OBLIGATION AND THEIR PRIVILEGE OF VOTING. WHAT HAPPENS IF LAWS ARE ENACTED TO DIMINISH THE INTEGRITY AND THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE BALLOT BOX FOR PARTICULAR SECTORS OF SOCIETY? WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS TYPICALLY VOTE FOR CANDIDATES REPRESENTING ONE PARTY? WELL, I CAME OF AGE IN THE
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MOVEMENT. THROES OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS WHEN OUR COLLEAGUE, REPRESENTATIVE JOHN LEWIS, THEN A YOUNG MAN WHO HAD BEEN TAPPED BY MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. TO BECOME A LEADER IN THE MOVEMENT , WAS BEATEN — I OFTEN SAY ONLY MEMBER OF THIS CHAMBER THAT HAD HIS SKULL CRACKED LITERALLY TO TRY TO EARN THE RIGHT FOR EVERYONE, EVERY CITIZEN TO VOTE. IN THE AFTERMATH OF THOSE BLOODY CONFRONTATIONS, CONGRESS SAID THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965 WAS PASSED AND IT’S MADE AN ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE, BUT WE CAN’T SIT BACK. WE CAN’T REST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IN STATE AFTER STATE THERE IS EFFORT TO EXCLUDE SOME PEOPLE. IT IS, IF YOU REQUIRE PEOPLE TO JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS, MAYBE NOT A LOT OF MONEY BUT SPEND SOME MONEY, TO ME THAT’S A POLL TAX. THAT IS ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL. WE THOUGHT WE HAD GOTTEN AWAY FROM IT. WE THOUGHT WE HAD GOTTEN AWAY FROM SO-CALLED LITERACY TESTS WHERE PEOPLE HAD TO JUMP THROUGH SOME HURDLES, TRULY UNREASONABLE HURDLES IN ORDER TO VOTE. WHERE PERSPECTIVE VOTERS WERE QUIZZED TO ASK, HOW MANY BUBBLES ARE THERE IN A BARF SOAP — BAR OF SOAP? HURDLES THAT COULD NOT BE CROSSED. WELL, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS REASONABLE WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON’T WANT ANYONE WHO’S NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE SHOWING UP TO VOTE. BUT WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE? IN STATE AFTER STATE, THESE I.D. REQUIREMENTS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH A PROBLEM THAT DOESN’T EXIST. AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE BEING EXCLUDED FROM VOTING IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH FRAUD AT THE POLLING PLACE. NOW, I DON’T THINK IN SOME WAYS THERE IS NOT SOME FRAUD. BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD OF A SING AM IMMIGRANT COMING ACROSS THE BORDER, WALKING THROUGH THE DESERT OF OUR SUMMER — SOUTHERN STATES SO THAT THEY CAN SNEAK IN AND CAST A BALLOT SOMEPLACE. THERE ARE TOUGH LAWS AND SEVERE PENALTIES FOR PEOPLE WHO VOTE FRAUDULENTLY IN THE NAME OR ADDRESS THAT IS INTENDED TO DECEIVE. BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CAUGHT DOING THAT. THERE ARE VERY FEW EXAMPLES OF PROSECUTIONS OR APPREHENSIONS OR FOR THAT MATTER EVEN VUSS SUSPICIONS — SUSPICIONS OF THIS HAPPENING. THE LAWS BEING PASSED ARE TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. IT’S A PROBLEM THAT DOESN’T EXIST. NEARLY FIVE MILLION AMERICANS, BY ESTIMATES FROM SUCH PEOPLE AS THE BRENER CENTER OF THE LAW SCHOOL OF N.Y.U., FIVE MILLION PEOPLE MIGHT BE EXCLUDED FROM THIS. SO I THANK MY — I THANK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS FOR ENGAGING IN THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT. INDEED THIS IS THE RIGHT IN A PRESERVES ALL OTHER RIGHTS. WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT? CYNICAL. IT IS DISINGENUOUS. IT IS UN-AMERICAN. WHAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IN A VERY SYSTEMATIC WAY TO EXCLUDE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE FROM VOTING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM, AN IMAGINARY PROBLEM THAT’S BEEN TRUMPED UP. I BELIEVE IT’S BEEN PRUMPED UP JUST SO THAT THEY COULD — PRUMPED UP JUST SO THEY — TRUMPED UP SO THEY COULD EXCLUDE LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE FROM VOTING. SO I THANK MY FRIEND FOR RAISING THIS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND I YIELD BACK MY TIME TO MR. GONZALEZ. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM NEW JERSEY AND APPRECIATE HIS WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT HERE TO ADDRESS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY AS WE SPEAK. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE ARE OTHER LAWS THAT ARE WAITING, LEGISLATIVE ACTION IN DIFFERENT STATES. I RETURN, STILL, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE HAVE A LEGITIMATE AND GOOD FAITH QUESTION OF WHAT ARE THESE LAWS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS AND IT’S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT FRAUD. MYRICK, LET ME ADDRESS THE
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. CLAIM OF FRAUD ONCE MORE. THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD GOING TO BE STOPPED BY NOT ALLOWING A 94-YEAR-OLD WOMAN NOT BEING ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE HER NAME DOESN’T MATCH THAT ON HER BIRTHER IS IF I HAVE CAT. FRAUD IS ABOUT VOTERS GOING TO POLLS ABOUT ELIGIBLE. IT’S ABOUT TWO INDIVIDUALS IN MARYLAND INDIED FOR HAVING DECEPTIVE ROBO CALLS TO STOP PEOPLE VOTING, OR THE ROBO CALLS TELLING PEOPLE THE VOTE WAS ON WEDNESDAY. OR THE GROUP THAT SAID REGISTERING THE POOR TO VOTE IS UN-AMERICAN AND, QUOTE, LIKE
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CRIMINALS. HANDING BURGLARY TOOLS TO THAT’S THE FRAUD PERPETRATED ON AMERICANS TODAY. IT’S AN OLD STORY OF KEEPING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE POLLS WHEN WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THEM TO VOTE. THESE NEW VOTER I.D. LAWS AND LAWS CURTAILING EARLY VOTING WON’T STOP THIS KIND OF FRAUD AND THE KIND OF FRAUD IT WOULD STOP DOESN’T EXIST. THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION NEARLY BROKE THE CIVIL RIGHTS DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN ITS QUEST TO FIND THIS KIND OF VOTING FRAUD THAT VOTER I.D. WOULD STOP.
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IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. THEY COULDN’T FIND ANY BECAUSE BUT THESE LAWS WILL HAVE A POWERFUL EFFECT. THEY WILL DENY MILLIONS OF AMERICANS THE RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEMOCRACY. SO WE KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS THAT DOESN’T REALLY EXIST, WHICH IS THAT KIND OF FRAUD. BUT WHAT IS THE COST? MR. SPEAKER, ALL OF US IN THIS CHAMBER UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE PASS LEGISLATION, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THE COST BENEFIT ASPECT OF IT. IN OTHER WORDS, DID THE GOOD OUTWEIGH THE BAD? IS IT WORTH THE INVESTMENT?
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CONSEQUENCE. THERE’S GOING TO BE SOME IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD NOT PASS ANY KIND OF SCRUTINY, IF WE REALLY LOOK AT WHAT IT’S GOING TO COST AMERICANS AND HOW IT’S GOING TO BENEFIT AMERICANS. NOW THE NAACP IN A — IN A NOVEMBER 1 OF THIS YEAR BRIEF CITED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION. IN THIS COUNTRY, 11% OF ELIGIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTERS, 21 MILLION STRONG, DON’T HAVE UPDATED STATE ISSUED PHOTO I.D.’S. SO WHO IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED? POTENTIALLY 21 MILLION ELIGIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTERS. BUT OF THAT 21 MILLION, 25% WILL BE AFRICAN-AMERICANS. 14% ARE FAMILIES OR INDIVIDUALS THAT EARN LESS THAN $35,000 A YEAR. 18% WILL BE SENIORS OVER THE AGE OF 65. BUT EVEN 20% WILL BE INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 29. SO I WAS ASKING A COLLEAGUE, WHY DO WE DO THE ANALYSIS? WHAT IS THE BENEFIT AND WHAT IS THE COST? MANY TIMES WE’LL SAY, WELL THE COST IS BENEFICIAL BECAUSE IT’S WORTH THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT, IF WE GET ANY KIND OF RURP. LET ME POINT OUT THE FALLACY OF THESE LAWS WHEN WE ACTUALLY APPLY THE TEST. BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NUMBERS, THE MERE NUMBERS IN THE ABSTRACT, BUT THESE ARE REAL AMERICAN VOTERS THAT WILL BE DENIED THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE WHEN THEY GO TO THAT POLLING PLACE AND ARE INFORMED THAT THEY NEED A STATE-ISSUED PHOTO I.D. THERE’S NO MORE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT THAN THAT OF VOTING AND IF A BARRIER THAT STOPS 1% OF THE PEOPLE FROM VOTING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE MERELY BECAUSE 99% OF THE PEOPLE ARE STILL ABLE TO VOTE, THINK OF THAT PROPOSITION. YOU ARE SAYING IF WE JUST DENY 1%, 2%, 3%, 5%, YOU STILL HAVE 90-SOMETHING PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THAT ARE STILL GOING TO BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
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BUT THINK IF THAT WAS YOUR VOTE. IF THAT WAS A FAMILY MEMBER’S VOTE. EVERY VOTE IS PRECIOUS IN THIS COUNTRY. AND THERE’S NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT WHAT YOU’RE ADDRESSING IS A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM THAT WILL DISENFRANCHISE MANY, MANY THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, AND EVEN MILLIONS OF AMERICAN VOTERS. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE FACING HERE TODAY. THAT’S WHAT THE ANALYSIS SHOWS. SO EVEN THE LIGHTEST OF ANY SCRUTINY WOULD SHOW THAT THIS IS ILL CONCEIVED. IT WILL NOT PRODUCE THE RESULT THAT YOU’RE SEEKING BECAUSE THE PROBLEM YOU’RE TRYING TO REMEDY DOES NOT EXIST. BUT THERE’S A PRICE THAT WILL BE PAID AN THE PRICE WILL BE PAID BY MANY. DISPROPORTIONATELY SENIORS AND MINORITIES AND THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE IN THE UPPER ECONOMIC SCALES OF THIS COUNTRY. AT THIS TIME, IT’S MY HONOR, OF COURSE, TO YIELD AS MUCH TIME AS HE MAY CONSUME TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA, WHO CAN TELL US MANY THINGS ABOUT THE FLORIDA EXPERIENCE, CONGRESSMAN TED DEUTCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THANK MY FRIEND FOR YIELDING AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND JOIN WITH YOU TONIGHT TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE OF GREAT CONCERN TO MANY AMERICANS. WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATURES ACROSS THE NATION ARE PASSING LAWS THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE. THE STORY THEY TELL IS ONE OF RAMPANT VOTER FRAUD THAT THREATENS THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTIONS AND THE VERY FOUNDATION OF OUR DEMOCRACY. IT’S A SCARY STORY. IMAGINE, JUST IMAGINE, MOBS OF ILLEGALLY REGISTERED VOTERS ENTERING OUR POLL BOOTHS AND HIJACKING OUR LESTS. HOWEVER, THERE IS SOMETHING FAR STORY THAT’S BEING TOLD. AND THAT’S THE REALITY. THE REALITY THAT OUR ELECTORAL SYSTEM IS NOT UNDER SIEGE BY VOTER FRAUD BUT INSTEAD BY AN HISTORICALLY DELIBERATE AND ONGOING EFFORT TO SUPPRESS THE VOTES OF AMERICA’S MINORITIES, SENIORS, STUDENTS, AND OTHER TRADITIONALLY DEMOCRATIC VOTERS. NOW, WHILE THIS IS A NATIONWIDE TREND, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE RECENT VOTING LAW PASSED IN FLORIDA TAKES THE CAKE FOR RADICALLY INFRINGING ON VOTING RIGHTS. ASK ANY FLORIDIAN, FLORIDA
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DOESN’T HAVE A HISTORY OF VOTER FRAUD. FLORIDA HAS A HISTORY OF VOTER SUPPRESSION. THIS IS A STATE THAT DIDN’T RATIFY THE 19TH AMENDMENT GUARANTEEING WOMEN THE RIGHT TO 1969. THIS IS A STATE WHERE IN 2000, SECRETARY OF STATE KATHERINE HARRIS ELIMINATED 57,000 VOTES, MOSTLY MINORITIES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR NAMES RESEMBLED THOSE OF PERSONS CONVICTED OF CRIMES. THEY WERE WIPED FROM THE VOTING ROLLS. NOW, OUR CURRENT GOVERNOR, GOVERNOR SCOTT, WASN’T IN FLORIDA IN 2000 WHEN GEORGE BUSH’S LEGAL TEAM FOUGHT TO STOP COUNTING THE VOTES. WHEN KATHERINE HARRIS CERTIFIED ELECTION RESULTS WITHOUT INCLUDING THE RECOUNT FROM MY OWN PALM BEACH COUNTY. AND WHEN THE SUPREME COURT STOPPED A MANUAL RECOUNT OF VOTES. FLORIDA IS THE STATE WHERE THOUSANDS OF SENIORS, I AM SO PRIVILEGED TO REPRESENT TODAY, HEADED TO THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY IN 2000 AND NEVER HAD THEIR VOICES HEARD. THAT WAS HARD WORK. IT WAS HARD WORK, SILENCING THE VOICES OF THE VOTERS. H.B. 1355, THE FLORIDA ELECTION LAW, THE VOTER SUPPRESSION LAW, MAKES IT CHILD’S PLAY. FLORIDA IS A STATE WHERE IN 2008, WHEN GOVERNOR CHARLIE CRIST EXTENDED VOTING HOURS, REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS DECRIED THE FACT THAT BETTER ACCESS TO
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THE LEBS. VOTING WOULD LIKELY COST THEM NOW FLORIDA IS THE STATE SERVING AS A MODEL FOR REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES ACROSS THE COUNTRY LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SUPPRESS TURNOUT AT THE POLLS. H.B. 1355 ELIMINATES THE ABILITY OF VOTERS TO UPDATE NAMES OR ADDRESSES AT THE POLLS DUE TO MARRIAGE, DIVORCE, OR MILITARY BASE RELOCATION. THEY NOW HAVE TO CAST PROVISIONAL BALLOTS WHICH WILL LIKELY GO UNCOUNTED. 1355 ALSO CUTS EARLY VOTING FROM 14 DAYS TO EIGHT BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS ONE OF THE FEW DEMOCRACIES IN THE WORLD TO DECLARE — NOT TO DECLARE ELECTION DAY A NATIONAL HOLIDAY IS SIMPLY NOT RESTRICTIVE ENOUGH. H B. 1355 ALLOWS ABSENTEE BALLOTS TO BE ARBITRARYLY TOSSED OUT OF ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF POOR HANDWRITING. THE MEN AND WOMEN I REPRESENT WHO MAY SUFFER FROM PARKINSON’S DISEASE OR ARTHRITIS OR THE AFTEREFFECTS OF A STROKE WILL HAVE THEIR VOTES THROWN OUT BECAUSE THEIR QUIVERING HANDS MAKE THEIR SIGNATURES LOOK SLOPPY. AND PERHAPS MOST DISTURBING IS HOW H.B. 1355 CRIPPLES THE ABILITY OF THIRD PARTY GROUPS LIKE THE BOY SCOUTS AND LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS AND NAACP TO RUN VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVES. IN FACT, ANY THIRD PARTY, INCLUDING HIGH SCHOOL CIVICS THAT OFFER TO HELP STUDENTS REGISTER TO VOTE, MUST TURN IN REGISTRATION FORM WITHIN 48 HOURS OR FACE FINES. BY PASSING H.B. 1355, FLORIDA HAS PROVIDED STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH A BLUEPRINT FOR VOTER SUPPRESSION OF MINORITIES, SENIORS, STUDENTS, AND OTHER DEMOCRATIC VOTERS. THE VOTER FRAUD BOOKYMAN MAY BE A SCARY STORY BUT IT CANNOT COMPARE TO THE VERY REAL AND VERY BLATANT VOTER SUPPRESSION EFFORTS OF REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES ACROSS AMERICA, PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN’T WIN FAIRLY. THEY NEED TO SUPPRESS VOTERS NOT BECAUSE OF IMAGINARY VOTER FRAUD BUT BECAUSE OF REAL AMERICANS. REAL AMERICANS WHO HAVE SEEN THE TRUE COLORS OF A REPUBLICAN AGENDA THAT ENDS MEDICARE, SLASHES EDUCATION, ELIMINATES JOBS AND LIMITS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR WORKING FAMILIES, REAL AMERICANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH. AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES BY EXERCISING THE MOST BASIC, THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT IN OUR NATION, THE RIGHT TO VOTE. I THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT FOR US TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TO ALL WHO ARE WATCHING THAT WE WON’T LET THEM TAKE THAT RIGHT AWAY. I YIELD BACK. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM FLORIDA AND — I YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUE ALSO FROM FLORIDA, MS. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ FOR SUCH TIME AS SHE MAY CONSUME. CONGRESSMAN GONZALEZ, IT’S WONDERFUL THAT YOU’VE ORGANIZED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MEMBERS COME TO THE FLOOR AND HIGHLIGHT OUR CONCERNS AND COMMITMENT TO PROTECT THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT AND BEDROCK OF OUR DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPALS, THE RIGHT TO VOTE. I’M PLEASED TO STAND WITH SO MY COLLEAGUES WHO ALL SHARE MY DEEP CONCERN OVER THE ORGANIZED, INSIDIOUS EFFORT UNDER WAY IN MANY STATES TO DISENFRANCHISE MANY AMERICANS AN SILENCE THEIR VOICE IN OUR DEMOCRACY. THESE ARE PURPORTED TO COMBAT SO-CALLED VOTER FRAUD YET NO INVESTIGATION HAS FUN VOTER FRAUD TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM IN OUR NATION. EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD BE CONCERNED AND UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE POLITICAL DISENFRANCHISEMENT GOING ON IN MANY STATES, INCLUDING MY HOME STATE OF FLORIDA, AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM FLORIDA JUST OUTLINED. STATE LEDGE SLAY SURES ARE TRYING TO IMPOSE THE MODERN EQUIVALENT OF POLL TAXES AND LITERACY TESTS. THE PARTICIPATION OF OUR PARTICIPATORY DEMOCRACY IS ROOTED IN THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE OUR ELECTED LEADERS, TO HAVE REPRESENTATION IN GOVERNMENT, TO HAVE INPUT ON THE MAJOR POLICIES OF THE DAY, THE RIGHT TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD. THAT’S WHY MORE THAN 250 YEARS AGO, WE THREW OFF THE SHACK OLVES THE BRITISH EMPIRE. TO FIGHT — THE FIGHT FOR UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE HAS BEEN LONG AND ARDUOUS BUT IT HAS BEEN WORTH IT. AS MAY WRIGHT SEWELL, A LEADING WOMEN’S SUFFRAGE LEADER, SAID, WE MUST STAND VIGILANTLY AGAINST THOSE WHO SEEK TO LIMIT IT. LESS THAN A CENTURY AGO, THE WOMEN WHO CAME BEFORE US WERE DENIED THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD. WOMEN IN THAT TIME WERE CONFRONTED BY A WEALTH OF ARGUMENTS AGAINST OUR RIGHT TO SUFFRAGE. WOMEN DO NOT WANT THE VOTE OR WOMEN ARE ALREADY REPRESENTED BY THEIR HUSBAND’S VOTES, OR ONE OF MY FAVORITES A WOMAN’S PLACE IS IN THE HOUSE. LAST ONE, IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WITH THE NOTE THAT THEIR PLACE IS ALSO IN THE SENATE AND THE GOVERNOR’S MANSION AND ALL HOUSES OF GOVERNMENT. THE WOMEN THEN WERE BEATEN BUT KEPT ON. THEY KNEW WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE DEPRIVED OF THIS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT. WE WILL NOT STAND BY AND ALLOW ANYONE’S VOTING RIGHTS TO BE
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. THREATENED, NOT ON OUR WATCH. DESPITE THE PASSAGE OF THE 14TH AND 15TH AMENDMENTS, AFRICAN-AMERICANS STILL FACE MORE THAN A CENTURY OF OVERT VOTER SUPPRESSION. AND WHILE WE MADE HUGE GAINS WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965, A SEMINOLE MOMENT IN OUR NATION’S HISTORY WHERE WE DECLARED THAT TRULY NO ELECTION LAW COULD DENY OR ABRIDGE VOTING RIGHTS BECAUSE OF RACE OR COLOR, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO SIT BACK AND JUST DECLARE THE FIGHT OVER. THE STRUGGLE FOR UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE IS NOT OVER. WE CANNOT ALLOW STATE LEGISLATURES TO DRAG OUR NATION BACKWARD AND WHAT IS — IN WHAT IS NOTHING MORE TO PROTECT THE GOVERNING MAJORITY’S INTEREST. A LITTLE MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO, FLORIDA EXPERIENCED ELECTION DAY TURMOIL THAT REMINDED US ALL TO REMAIN ONGUARD FROM DISENFRANCHISE! S. THE IRREGULARITIES THAT OCCURRED IN MY STATE OF FLORIDA OF HOW RIGHTS CAN BE DENIED. THE COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS REPORT ON THE 2000 ELECTION IN
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DISENFRANCHISEMENT. FLORIDA FOUND WIDESPREAD VOTER AS COMMISSIONER, CHAIRPERSON MARY FRANCIS BERRY STATED AT THE TIME, AND I QUOTE, IT IS NOT A QUESTION OF A RECOUNT OR EVEN AN ACCURATE COUNT BUT MORE POINTEDLY THE EXCLUSION OF THE
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COUNT. RIGHT TO VOTE AMOUNTED TO A NO IN THE LAST YEAR, SCORES OF STATES, INCLUDING FLORIDA, HAVE
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PASSED LAWS RESTRICTING ACCESS TO THE POLLS. A RECENT BRENNAN CENTER REPORT FOUND THAT THESE CHANGES IN STATE VOTING LAWS WILL LIKELY SUPPRESS THE VOTE OF MORE THAN FIVE MILLION VOTERS NATIONWIDE. NO FURTHER THAN MY OWN HOME STATE OF FLORIDA TO SEE THE THREAT AGAINST UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE. THE FLORIDA LAW PASSED LAST SPRING RESTRICTS BOTH VOTER REGISTRATION AND VOTER OPPORTUNITIES. IT WAS CHAMPIONED BY GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT AND PASSED BY THE REPUBLICAN-LED LEGISLATURE WHICH HAS OVERWHELMING JORTS IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE. FIRST, IT RESTRICTS THE ABILITY OF NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATIONS OR INDIVIDUALS FROM HELPING CITIZENS REGISTER TO VOTE. IT FINDS PEOPLE IN GROUPS UP TO $1,000 PER VOTER IF REGISTRATION ISN’T TURNED IN WITHIN 48 HOURS. JUST THE OTHER DAY, A TEACHER WAS SANCTIONED AND IS NOW BEING PROSECUTED BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T TURN IN HER STUDENT’S VOTER REGISTRATION WITHIN THE NEW AMENDED TIME FRAME IN A VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS HAVE TO BE TURNED IN, AND NOW SHE IS BEING SUBJECT TO A FINE, A SIGNIFICANT FINE PER VOTER. AS A RESULT OF THIS LAW, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS, A CHAMPION OF NONVOTING RIGHTS FOR OVER DECADES, HAVE EXTENDED THEIR OPERATIONS IN FLORIDA BECAUSE THEY CAN’T TAKE THE RISK THAT THEY WOULD BE BANKRUPTED BY THIS ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR, TERRIBLE LAW. SECOND, THE FLORIDA LAW ROLLS BACK EARLY VOTING. IT ROLLS BACK EARLY VOTING OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING SUNDAY BEFORE AN ELECTION.
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ELECTION. IT ELIMINATES SUNDAY BEFORE AN AND I CAN TELL YOU FIRSTHAND HOW IMPORTANT EARLY VOTING IS FOR PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT AND FOR PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE. ALSO IN 2008, AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS WHO TOGETHER MAKE UP ROUGHLY 1/4 OF FLORIDA VOTERS, ACCOUNTED FOR MORE THAN HALF OF ALL VOTERS ON SUNDAY. SO DO WE THINK IT’S A COINCIDENT THAT THOSE THAT HAS THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE ON THAT
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PARTICULAR SUNDAY REMOVED FROM THEM? AS FAR AS WE’VE COME IN OUR SOCIETY IN BROADENING THE SCOPE OF CIVIL RIGHTS, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REVERT BACK TO A TIME WHEN IT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO LIMITING RIGHTS OF A SELECT FEW. WE ARE NOT MEANT TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT OF SOME PEOPLE, BY SOME PEOPLE, FOR SOME PEOPLE. I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN ME THEN SURING THAT WE UPHOLD PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN’S DEMOCRATIC IDEAL GOVERNMENT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE, ELECTED BY THE ALL THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU, MR. GONZALEZ, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.
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WELL, I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM FLORIDA. AT THIS TIME, MR. SPEAKER, I’D LIKE TO ENTER A COLLOQUY WITH MY COLLEAGUES FROM FLORIDA AND NEW JERSEY, AND I GUESS I’M JUST GOING TO POSE THE QUESTION. SO WHAT? JUST A FEW PEOPLE ARE DENIED ACCESS TO THE BALLOT BOX? IT’S JUST A FEW AND AFTER ALL WE’RE TRYING TO SEE IF THERE’S ANY KIND OF PROVEABLE, TANGIBLE FRAUD GOING ON — PROVEABLE, TANGIBLE FRAUD GOING ON? NOW, THEY HAVEN’T FOUND FRAUD
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BASED ON IDENTIFICATION, OF COURSE. BUT YOU POINTED OUT IN YOUR REMARKS WHAT HAPPENED IN FLORIDA IN 2000. HOW MANY VOTES IN FLORIDA ACTUALLY DETERMINED WHO WAS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? 537. AND WE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT ESTIMATES OF HOW MANY MILLIONS OF ELIGIBLE AMERICAN CITIZEN VOTERS DON’T HAVE A CURRENT STATE-ISSUED I.D. IN THE MILLIONS. AND IN FLORIDA IT WAS LESS THAN 600 VOTES. I DON’T KNOW THE EXPERIENCE IN NEW JERSEY, BUT IT WOULD SEEM — I WENT OVER THIS EARLIER AND I DON’T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES WERE HERE, WE PASSED LAWS IN THIS CHAMBER AND WE ALWAYS TRY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE’RE TRYING TO REMEDY A SITUATION THAT IS TRUE IN EXISTENCE AND THE MANNER IN WHICH WE DO IT. WE LOOK AT COST BENEFIT. WE CAN’T PROVE FRAUD BUT I CAN WE CAN PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT PEOPLE WILL BE DENIED ACCESS TO THE POLLS.
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I THANK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS. THE HISTORY OF AMERICA HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF EXPANDING THE FRANCHISE.
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THE OPPORTUNITY, THE RIGHT TO VOTE. AND IT’S BASED ON THIS PRINCIPLE THAT WE OFTEN TALK ABOUT IN THIS CHAMBER BUT MAYBE DON’T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION TO WHICH IS THE PRINCIPLE OF EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. WE’RE SAYING — WE’RE NOT JUST
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SAYING THAT, YES, EVERYBODY CAN VOTE. WELL, UNLESS YOU’RE DISABLED AND YOU CAN’T GET INTO THE POLLING PLACE. OR EVERYBODY CAN VOTE EXCEPT, WELL, IF YOU — IF YOU’RE 75 YEARS OLD, 85 YEARS OLD, YOU’RE NO LONGER DRIVING AND YOU LET YOUR DRIVER’S LICENSE EXPIRE AND, NO, YOU HAVEN’T GOTTEN DOWN TO MOTOR VEHICLES. ORWELL’ LET EVERYBODY VOTE — AS YOU PAY A TAX OR IF YOUR GRANDFATHER VOTED OR IF YOU CAN CROSS THESE HURDLES. YOU KNOW, OUR HISTORY HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF SAYING EVERYBODY IS EQUAL UNDER THE LAW. AND WE DON’T PUT ARTIFICIAL HURDLES IN PLACE. THE 15TH AMENDMENT SAID YOU CAN’T DENY AFRICAN-AMERICANS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. IN 1915 THE SUPREME COURT SAID THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSES ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL WHICH WOULD OUTLAW EXEMPTIONS FROM LITERARY — LITERACY REQUIREMENTS FOR VOTERS WHOSE GRAND FATHERS HAD BEEN ELIGIBLE TO VOTE BEFORE — YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME OF THE CIVIL WAR. AND THE 19TH AMENDMENT SAID WOMEN COULD VOFMENTE AND THE 23RD AMENDMENT SAID THE CITIZENS OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA COULD VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. RAND THE 24TH AMENDMENT OUTLAWED POLL TAXES. IN 1965, AS I REFERRED TO EARLIER IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE MARCH ACROSSES EDMUND PETTUS BRIDGE IN SELMA, PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR PROHIBITS THE USE OF SUPPRESSIVE TACTICS AND VARIOUS POLL TESTS. THESE ARE — YOU KNOW, I COULD GO ON. THE 18-YEAR-OLD VOTE.
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ACT. THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES IT REQUIRES EQUAL ACCESS TO VOTING PLACES.
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ACT. THE NATIONAL VOTER REGISTRATION THE MOTOR VOTER ACT. THIS IS BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE OF EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? I’D BE HAPPY TO YIELD.
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THANK YOU. IN ANSWER TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS’ QUESTION, WHAT’S WRONG WITH IT IS THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A COUNTRY THAT AFFORDS EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF ANY CATEGORY THAT YOU FALL INTO, THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. THE VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED BY REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES, CHAMPIONED BY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETED SPECIFIC GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS BASED ON THEIR PROPENCITY TO VOTE, DIFFERENTLY THAN THE LEGISLATORS THAT SUPPORT THOSE LAWS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM VOTE. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE POLLS FOR PEOPLE WHO VOTE AGAINST THEIR INTERESTS, AGAINST REPUBLICAN INTERESTS. THAT IS BLOCKING ANYONE’S ACCESS TO THE POLLS IS UNACCEPTABLE TO BEGIN WITH, BUT INSIDIOUSLY TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN ELECTION THROUGH SYSTEMATICALLY CHANGING THE LAW TO PREVENT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY TO GO TO THE POLLS TO VOTE FOR YOUR OPPONENT IS THE MOST HEINOUS FORM OF ANTI-DEMOCRATIC POLICY. IT’S THE KIND OF POLICY THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN COUNTRIES THAT THAT WE ABHOR, COUNTRIES THAT WE CRITICIZE. JUST FOR EXAMPLE, LET’S TAKE THE PHOTO I.D. LAWS. WE HAVE A PHOTO I.D. LAW IN FLORIDA. YOU MAY HAVE TOLD THE STORY OF
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TENNESSEE. THE 96-YEAR-OLD WOMAN FROM I AM SURE YOU ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING. BUT THERE ARE — IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, WHICH YOU MAY HAVE GONE OVER AS WELL, 11% OF AMERICANS DON’T HAVE A PHOTO I.D. 11%. 25% OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS DON’T HAVE A PHOTO I.D. AND I DON’T KNOW THE NUMBER — I WAS LOOKING FOR THE STATISTICS FOR HISPANICS, BUT IT IS — IT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO SAY THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY SOMEBODY IS BY REQUIRING THEM TO CARRY A PHOTO IDENTIFICATION IN ORDER TO VOTE, THAT’S JUST — THAT’S RIDICULOUS. MODERN TECHNOLOGY TODAY ALLOWS FOR SIGNATURE MATCHES. ALL OF OUR SOUP VIFERE OF SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HAVE THE SIGNATURE ON FILE. IN THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY, WRITTEN ON A PIECE OF PAPER, OR SCANNED ON A COMPUTER WHERE THEY CAN MATCH THE SIGNATURES. THAT’S HOW THEY DID IT — THEY’VE DONE IT FOR MANY YEARS IN FLORIDA UNTIL THEY IMPOSED THE PHOTO I.D. LAW. ALL THAT FOTEOY I.D.’S ARE AN OBSTACLE IN THE PATH OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS MORE LIKELY TO GO AND VOTE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A REPUBLICAN, AND — I’M SORRY. ELECTIONS SHOULD BE WON FAIR AND SQUARE. AND CONTINUING TO ANSWER THE GENTLEMAN’S QUESTION, WHO CARES, WHY DOES IT MATTER, MY FRIEND FROM FLORIDA HAS TALKED ABOUT HOW MILLIONS CAN BE DISENFRANCHISED, EXCLUDED BY THE PHOTO I.D. LAWS. ADDITIONALLY, STATE AFTER STATE HAS MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO CONDUCT VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVES. ARE ELIGIBLE, WHO SHOULD BE VOTING ARE PREVENTED
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FROM OR HINDERED IN THEIR — IN THEIR REGISTRATION. AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS — MR. HOLT, I HAVE A STORY I WANT TO SHARE. EXCLUDED FROM REGISTRATION DRIVES AND OTHER EXCLUSIONS I’LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. I’LL YIELD TO THE GENTLELADY. WE HAD THE REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE IN FLORIDA RECENTLY ASKED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO START ASSESSING $50 FINES FOR EACH OF THE 76 VOTER REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER IN SANTA ROSA COUNTY. THERE WAS NO INDICATION OF FOUL PLAY. THE APPLICATIONS WERE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO APPEARED TO BE ELIGIBLE FLORIDA VOTERS. THEY WERE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS WHO WERE — YOU KNOW, 18 AND WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE, BUT BECAUSE FLORIDA HAS CHANGED THE LAW UNDER THE REPUBLICAN VOTER SUPPRESSION LAW THAT REQUIRES REGISTRATIONS TO BE TURNED IN WITHIN 48 HOURS AND IT USED TO BE 10 DAYS, THIS TEACHER GOT FINED BECAUSE SHE WAS TRYING TO HELP HER STUDENTS REGISTERED TO VOTE AND DIDN’T GET THEM IN UNDER THE NEW TIME LIMIT. SO I ASK THE LADY, THE GENTLELADY, HOW MANY OTHER PATRIOTIC AMERICANS ARE GOING TO BE DETERRED FROM ASKING THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR NEIGHBORS, IN THIS CASE, MAYBE STUDENTS, FROM REGISTERING FOR FEAR THAT THEY’LL BE PROSECUTED IF THEY DON’T DOT THE I’S JUST RIGHT? WELL, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN MY STATE, MR. HOLT, HAS REGISTERED VOTERS IN FLORIDA FOR SEVEN DECADES AND SUSPENDED THEIR VOTER REGISTRATION ACTIVITY AFTER THIS LAW PASSED BECAUSE THEY CAN’T TAKE THE RISK.
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BANKRUPT. THE ORGANIZATION WOULD BECOME CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS NO LONGER REGISTERS PEOPLE TO VOTE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA? AND THEN IN OTHER STATES, WHO CARES, MY FRIEND ASKS, IN OTHER STATES THEY’RE
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ABSENTEE BALLOTS. MAKING IT HARDER TO CAST SO THAT’S GOING TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE. IT’S — AND THIS IS NOT — YOU KNOW, YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST.
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ROCKET SCIENTIST. TO SEE BEHIND THIS A PURPOSE OF EXCLUSION. THIS IS NOT, OH, WE’RE JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE PROCEDURES HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT’S ALL NEAT AND TIDY. NO. IN IS DELIBERATE EXCLUSION. WELL, THE CURIOUS THING, AND I KNOW THE GENTLELADY FROM FLORIDA ALREADY POINTED IT OUT, AND THAT IS THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SEGMENTS OF VOTERS ARE BEING TARGETED. THIS ISN’T AN EVEN APPLICATION WHOSE CONSEQUENCES WILL BE FELT ACROSS ALL SECTORS OR SEGMENTS OF THE VOTING POPULATION. WE KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AND IT IS A CONCERTED, DIRECTED EFFORT, AND SOME PEOPLE MAY FIND IT EXCEEDINGLY HARD TO SAY THAT’S WHAT THESE LAWS WILL ACCOMPLISH OTHER THAN THE LOFTY GOALS OF ELIMINATING OR ADDRESSING VOTER FRAUD WHEN WE’VE ALREADY STATED THAT YOU DON’T HAVE ANY DEMONSTRABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE FRAUD IS
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. OCCURRING. IN TEXAS, WE HAD THIS PHOTO I.D. LAW PASSED, SO I WENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, CHARGED WITH THE DUTY OF PROVIDING THIS ELECTION I.D., PHOTO I.D. THIS IS THE AMAZING THING. THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED ONE EXTRA DOLLAR FOR THIS ADDED BURDEN. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE EXTENDED HOURS, THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE THE REGULAR HOURS, THEY’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY OF ANY TYPE. THEY WILL CONTINUE USING THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES, WHICH ALREADY ARE TAXED TO THE LIMIT BY INDIVIDUALS GOING IN THERE JUST FOR REGULAR BUSINESS. NOW THIS IS THE STATE OF TEXAS. YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THIS, BUT I THINK FLORIDA IS A PRETTY BIG STATE, NEW JERSEY, — NEW JERSEY, NOT AS BIG. BUT YOU CAN HAVE A DISTANCE OF 100 MILES, YOU CAN HAVE A DISTANCE OF 100 MILES FROM SOME OF OUR TOWNS TO THE NEAREST D.P.S. OFFICE. NOW, WHY DOES THAT — WHY WOULD THAT BE IMPORTANT? YOU DON’T HAVE A TEXAS DRIVER’S LICENSE, THAT TELLS YOU YOU HAVE TO GET SOMEONE TO DRIVE YOU TO THE D.P.S. STATION. THEN YOU’RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME LINE, MAYBE THEY’RE QUEUE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BUT I’LL TELL YOU NOW, THE TEXAS EXPERIENCE IS NO DIFFERENT THAN MOST STATES WHERE YOU STAND IN LINE FOR INED OR NANT AMOUNTS OF TIME, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE ELDERLY, ABOUT THOSE WHO HAVE SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL HANDICAP, THEY CAN STILL VOTE BECAUSE THEY’RE SO PROUD OF THE RIGHT TO VOTE THAT THEY’VE BEEN EXERCISING FOR 60-PLUS YEARS. I YIELD TO THE GENTLEWOMAN. IN SOME STATES, IT’S EQUALLY AS BAD, IT’S CERTAINLY BAD ENOUGH IN TEXAS THAT THEY’RE NOT PUTTING MORE FUNDING IN TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE MORE ACCESS TO GET PHOTO I.D.’S BUT IN SOME STATES, BECAUSE OF BUDGET CUTS, THEY’RE SYSTEMATICALLY IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LARGE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATIONS AND LARGE HISPANIC POPULATIONS, SHUTTING DOWN DRIVER’S LICENSE OFFICES SO IT’S EVEN HARDER FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES TO GO AND GET A PHOTO I.D. THIS HAS BEEN INSIDIOUS. THE DISTURBING THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT’S CLEAR THAT THESE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURES, LED BY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, JUST DON’T THINK THEY CAN WIN AN ELECTION ON THE MERITS, SO THEY HAVE TO — THEY NEED AN INSURANCE POLICY BECAUSE IN THE THAT VOTERS ACTUALLY DECIDE THAT NO, REPUBLICANS AREN’T INTERESTED IN CREATING JOBS, THEY’RE IN THE INTERESTED IN GETTING THE ECONOMY TURNED AROUND, MAYBE I’D LIKE TO GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE OF MY CHOICE, THEY ARE USING THE INSURANCE POLICY OF VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY TO GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN
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IT’S UN-AMERICAN. THEM, CAN’T DO IT. IT’S UNACCEPTABLE. I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES. I SURELY WANTED TO REFERENCE AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY OUR COLLEAGUE FROM GEORGIA, JOHN LEWIS, MR. HOLT, I THINK, HAS ALREADY REFERRED TO MR. LEWIS’ ILL LUST RES YOU CAREER IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, BUT I’D
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LIKE TO READ THE LAST COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS. COMING FROM JOHN LEWIS, IT IS SPECIAL. HE’S LIVED THE WORST OF TIMES AND HE KNOWS IT’S BEEN A PROGRESSION, A SLOW ONE, AND YET. TO SOMEHOW RETURN TO THOSE OLD DAYS URN THE GUISE OF SOME SORT OF VOTER FRAUD, WHICH AGAIN HAS NOT BEEN DEMONSTRATED AND WE KNOW THAT IT’S A COST THAT’S GOING TO EXCEED THE BENEFITS, THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. THESE RESTRICTIONS PURPORTEDLY APPLY TO ALL CITIZENS EQUALLY. WE KNOW THEY WILL DISPROPORTIONATELY BURDEN AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND OTHER MINORITY RACES YET AGAIN.
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NAME. THEY ARE POLL TAXES BY ANOTHER THE KING MEMORIAL REMINDS US THAT OUT OF A MOUNTAIN OF DESPAIR, WE MAY HEW A STONE OF HOPE. 48 YEARS AFTER THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON WE MUST CONTINUE OUR WORK WITH HOPE THAT ALL
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CITIZENS WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE. SECOND CLASS CITIZENSHIP IS NOT CITIZENSHIP AT ALL. WE’VE COME SOME DISTANCE AND HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS BUT DR. KING’S DREAM HAS NOT BEEN REALIZED IN FOOL. NEW RESTRAINTS ON THE RIGHT TO VOTE DO NOT MERELY SLOW US DOWN, THEY TURN US BACKWARDS. SENDING US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, ON A COURSE WHERE WE HAVE ALREADY TRAVELED TOO FAR AND SACRIFICED TOO MUCH. MR. SPEAKER, HOW MUCH TIME REMAINS? THE GENTLEMAN HAS ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MINUTES LEFT. I’D LIKE TO YIELD TIME TO EACH OF MY COLLEAGUES AS WE CLOSE OUT THE SPECIAL ORDER AND I RECOGNIZE THE
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GENTLEMAN FROM NEW JERSEY, MR. HOLT. THANK YOU. SO YOU KNOW, AS EFFORTS ARE MADE TO PUT HURDLES IN THE WAY, TO REQUIRE PROOF THAT IS DIFFICULT OR EXPENSIVE TO GET, THAT IS — THAT IF OFFICES ARE CLOSED AND OPEN PERIODS FOR ABSENTEE BALLOTS ARE SHRUNK AND IS DISCONTINUED AS IT HAS BEEN IN SOME STATES, IN FACT, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, OHIO, TENNESSEE, WEST VIRGINIA, HAVE SUCCEEDED IN ENACTING BILLS THAT REDUCE EARLY VOTING, ALL OF THIS SERVES NOT ONLY TO REDUCE THE DIGNITY OF AMERICANS, BY SAYING THE PRINCIPLE OF EQUALITY APPLIES, EXCEPT FOR SOME PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE, AS I SAID, WHO MIGHT HAVE PHYSICAL DISABILITIES OR MIGHT BE ELDERLY OR MIGHT BE LOW INCOME. BUT MORE THAN THAT — BUT MORE THAN THAT, IT DEPRIVES US OF A WORKING DEMOCKSTHISM REASON THE HISTORY OF AMERICA HAS BEEN A HISTORY OF EXPANDING THE FRANCHISE IS SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A MORE STABLE, PRODUCTIVE DEMOCRACY. WE WANT EVERYONE TO VOTE. IT MAKES THIS A RICHER COUNTRY IN EVERY WAY. I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR SETTING ASIDE THIS TIME. CAN’T THINK OF A MORE IMPORTANT TOPIC TO BE DEBATED IN THIS GREAT CHAMBER. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR HIS PARTICIPATION AND HIS WORDS AND I YIELD TO MY COLLEAGUE FROM FLORIDA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, AN FOR CALLING US TOGETHER ON THIS RP VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC. I WANT TO CLOSE OUT MY TIME BRIEFLY BY SAYING TO THE GENTLEMEN FROM TEXAS AND NEW JERSEY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO LAY DOWN AND JUST ALLOW THESE LAWS TO STAND. THAT WE ARE GOING — THERE ARE CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS, AS WE SPEAK, PURSUING THESE LAWS BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY’RE VIOLATIONS OF INDIVIDUALS’ CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, WE KNOW THEY’RE VIOLATIONS OF THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965678 WE KNOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS REVIEWING MANY OF THESE LAWS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW WHILE WE ARE HERE EXPRESSING GRAVE CONCERN, WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT USING ONLY OUR VOICES TO FIGHT THESE INSIDIOUS LAWS, WE ARE STANDING UP FOR THE FRANCHISE, WE ARE STANDING UP FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND WE GO TO WORK TO MAKE SURE EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND CAST THEIR BALLOT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THEY WANT TO REPRESENT THEM IN THIS DEMOCRACY AND WE ARE STANDING UP AGAINST THOSE WHO TRY TO FIX THE OUTCOME OF ELECTIONS BY BLOCKING PEOPLE’S ACCESS OTO POLLS. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FROM FLORIDA, I THANK THE SPEAKER AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. UNDER THE SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCED POLICY — POLICY OF JANUARY 5, 2011, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM IOWA, MR. KING, FOR 30 MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IT’S ALWAYS MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. I FIND IT IRONIC THAT I WATCHED MY COLLEAGUES TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTION SITUATION, WHEN IT WAS REPORTED THAT AS NEARLY — AS MANY AS 24,000 PEOPLE VOTED IN BOTH NEW YORK AND FLORIDA FOR THE PRESIDENT, THAT’S A BIT OF AN IRONY AS I HEAR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ELECTION PROCESS IN THE UNITED STATES. I THINK THERE’S TOO LITTLE CONCERN ON THE PART OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO I DO RESPECT AND APPRECIATE AND COUNT AS — COUNT AS FRIENDS IN MANY RESPECTS. I THINK THERE’S TOO MUCH FOCUS ON HOW YOU GET MORE WARM BODIES TO THE POLLS AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE AND NOT ENOUGH ON THE LEGITIMATE VOTE. NOW AS I LISTEN, THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS SAID THERE’S NO DEMONSTRABLE EVIDENCE THAT FRAUD IS OCCURRING. I WOULD DISAGREE. I THINK CONVICTIONS ARE DEMONSTRABLE EVIDENCE. AND THE QUICKSES, PARTICULARLY IN TROY, NEW YORK, OF ELECTION FRAUD, I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE STATE OF IOWA, IN A FASHION THAT DIDN’T RESULT IN QUICKS, BUT I HAVE CONVICTION THAT IT HAPPENED, WE HAVE PAID TOO LITTLE ATTENTION TO ELECTION FRAUD AND IN THE CASE THAT I MENTIONED OF PEOPLE VOTING IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, IF THEY DO BOTH, THEY SURELY CAN’T BE
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LAWFULLY VOTING IN EACH OF THE STATES. THEY MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY ABLE TO VOTE IN EITHER STATE BUT VOTING IN BOTH STATES. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? THIS IS UNEXAMINED SUBJECT MATTER ON THE PART OF MY COLLEAGUES. HOW DOES IT HAPPEN THAT PEOPLE CAN VOTE SOMEPLACE THEY DON’T RESIDE, HOW DOES IT HAPPEN THEY CAN VOTE WHEN THEY’RE NOT CITIZENS, HOW DIZZ IT HAPPEN THEY CAN VOTE IN MORE THAN ONE JURISDICTION FOR THE SAME ELECTION, NOT NECESSARILY
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SIMULTANEOUSLY BUT POSSIBLY SIMULTANEOUSLY. I CAN TELL YOU, TO SOME DEGREE, HOW THAT IS. IT WORK THIS IS WAY. THE VOTER REGISTRATION LISTS WITHIN THE STATES ARE NOT INTEGRATED AMONG THE STATES. AND SO IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS REGISTERED TO VOTE IN NEW YORK, THEY CAN ALSO BE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN FLORIDA. OR ANY ADJOINING STATE, FOR THAT MATTER. NEW JERSEY, CONNECTICUT, YOU NAME IT. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS REGISTER IN ONE STATE AND GO REGISTER IN ANOTHER STATE. IN MY OWN STATE, IT WAS THE CASE, AND PROBABLY IS NOT STILL THE CASE, THAT THE VOTER REGISTRATION LISTS — LIST DOES NOT INTEGRATE ITSELF COUNTY TO COUNTY IN A DEFINITIVE WAY. IF JOHN DOE REGISTERS TO VOTE? WASHINGTON COUNTY AND GOES OVER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AS JOHN M. DOE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. THERE’S TWO REGISTRATIONS THERE AND HE CAN VOTE IN BOTH COUNTIES, BOTH BY ABSENTEE. IN MY STATE, WHERE IT’S 99 COUNTIES, IT’S POSSIBLE TO VOTE IN 99 COUNTIES SIMULTANEOUSLY BY ABSENTEE. IF YOU REGISTER TO VOTE, PUT UP AN ADDRESS THAT’S PERHAPS A FALSE ADDRESS, BUT AN ADDRESS OF SOMEONE ELSE AND IF THAT ADDRESS, IF THE VOTER REGISTRATION IS UNIQUE IN ANY WAY, IF IT’S THE — THE INITIAL COULD CHANGE. IT COULD BE JOHN, COULD BE JONATHAN, COULD BE THE MIDDLE NAME CAN CHANGE. THAT’S ALL IT WOULD TAKE. THE SAME PERSON COULD VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES IN A STATE. THINK HOW MANY TIMES THAT COWL HAPPEN WHEN THEY’RE CROSSING STATE LINES. NO ONE HAS YET CALCULATED HOW MANY TIMES AN INDIVIDUAL COULD VOTE IN THE UNITED STATES IF
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SYSTEM. THEY REALLY WANTED TO GAME THE AND WE DO HEAR CREDIBLE STORIES OF BUSES TAKING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STATE LINES AND BUSES TAKING PEOPLE FROM PRECINCT TO PRECINCT TO VOTE MULTIPLE TIMES AND WHO HAVE BEEN THE ADVOCATES FOR SAME-DAY REGISTRATION? ADVOCATES FOR LOWERING THE INTEGRITY OF THE VOTE ITSELF? IT’S BEEN THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, IT’S BEEN THE DEMOCRATS. THE THINGS THAT REPUBLICANS BRING TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY IN THE VOTE ARE UNDERMINED BY THE DEMOCRATS ON
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MR. SPEAKER. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE, AND WHY? BECAUSE THEY SAY PEOPLE ARE DISENFAN CHIESED FROM THEIR VOTE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT LEGITIMATE VOTERS, AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO RESPECT THE LAW AND VOTE ONE TIME, ONE PLACE IN THEIR LEGAL RESIDENCE ARE WATCHING THEIR VOTE BE CANCELED OUT BY ILLEGITIMATE VOTES THAT HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE CONVICTIONS FOR PEOPLE VOTING IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS FOR THE SAME ELECTION, ISN’T AN INDICATION IT DOESN’T HAPPEN. WE DO HAVE SOME QUICKSES. WE DON’T HAVE LARGE NURS OF QUICKS AS THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS MAY HAVE IMPLIED BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY SAID. THE REASON FOR THAT IS, BECAUSE OUR VOTING LAWS ARE SO OPEN, SO LAX, SO INSECURE, THAT IT’S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A CONVICTION. FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO, IF I WERE WORKING THE VOTING BOOTH AS AN ELECTION WORKER IN NEW MEXICO, AND I OPENED THE POLLS UP AT, SAY, 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND I’M SITTING THERE FOR THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND THEY SAY, I’M JOHN DOE, I’M JANE DOE, I’M JIM SMITH. IF ONE OF THEM WALKS IN AND SAYS, I’M STEVE KING AND I LIVE AT THE ADDRESS WHERE I LIVE AND I HAVE NOT YET VOTED, I AM COMPELLED, EVEN AS AN ELECTION WORKER, TO LET THAT FALSE AND FRAUDULENT INDIVIDUAL VOTE UNDER MY NAME. IT’S AGAINST THE LAW IN NEW MEXICO AND OTHER STATES TO CHALLENGE AN ILLEGITIMATE VOTER EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW THEY’RE ILLEGITIMATE EVEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ALLEGE THEY ARE THE
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LIST. PERSON WHO CHECKS THEM ON THE
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THEY STILL HAVE TO LET THEM VOTE. THAT’S HOW OPEN THE VOTES ARE. THAT’S THE KIND OF THING YOU HAVE PROMOTED, THE KIND OF THING I’LL YIELD TO IF YOU’VE GOT A DEFENSE FOR OPENING UP
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STATES. THE INTEGRITY IN THE UNITED MANY OF THESE ARE STATE LAWS. I RECOGNIZE. WE HAVE THE HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT TO OPEN IT UP ANYMORE. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK WHO SPOKE WITHIN THE LAST HALF-HOUR, I DO AGREE THERE SHOULD BE A PAPER TRAIL SO WE CAN AUDIT THE VOTES THAT ARE CAST. NOW WE’VE AGREED ON THAT WE WORKED TOGETHER ON THAT CAUSE. NOT ARRIVED AT THAT AS FAR AS A CONCLUSION FOR THIS CONGRESS IS CONCERNED BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PAPER TRAIL AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK AND I ARE IN CONCEPTUAL AGREEMENT ON THAT, MR. HOLT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT PUSH. I DO THINK IT’S OUT OF THE RIGHT SPIRIT OF HIS HEAD AND HIS HEART BUT IT MIGHT ALSO BE FROM SUSPICION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PRODUCE THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES MAY BE REPUBLICANS, THEY MAY BE DEMOCRATS, AND THAT SEEMS TO COLOR OUR JUDGMENT. IS, DON’T GIVE ANYBODY A CHANCE TO CHEAT, AND DON’T LET THE ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES BE OFFERED IN SUCH A WAY THAT SOME PROGRAMMER CAN JIGGER THE MACHINE TO GIVE AN ADVANTAGE TO EITHER PARTY. I THINK OF THE ELECTION SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE IN FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 2000.
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.
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I SPENT 37 DAYS FOCUSING ON THAT. IT WAS MY JOB TO SEE THAT IOWA DIDN’T BECOME FLORIDA. I CHASED THROUGH ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE INTERNET, EVERYTHING I COULD FIND, ALL THE RESEARCH I COULD COME UP WITH ON THE PROCESS. AND AFTER THAT, I FOLLOWED THROUGH ON LEGISLATION THAT PASSED THROUGH THE IOWA SENATE. AND I DISCOVERED A SIGNIFICANT
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AMOUNT OF ELECTION FRAUD IN THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS IN THE YEAR 2000, WELL BEFORE WE HAD THE AMERICAN OF ACORN. I FOUND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ELECTION FRAUD. THERE ARE A PAIR OF BROTHERS IN FLORIDA THAT DID ELECTION RESEARCH. AND THEY HAVE WRITTEN A BOOK ON THIS AND DID A VIDEO ON IT AS I RECALL, AND PART OF THAT VIDEO IS WALKING INTO THE MAINTENANCE SHOP WHERE THEY TOOK CARE OF THE MACHINES THAT TOOK CARE OF THE NOTORIOUS PUNCH CARD BALLOTS THAT WERE TROUBLE IN FLORIDA IN THE YEAR 2000 AND HAVE THE VIDEO OF THE FORMER ELECTION COMMISSIONER WHO HAD RETIRED FROM THAT AND HANDED OVER TO HIS SUCCESSOR AND GONE TO WORK MAINTAINING THE VOTE-COUNTING MACHINES. THE MACHINES THAT YOU WOULD FEED IN A STACK OF PUNCH-CARD BALLOTS AND THE MACHINE WOULD READ IT AND SPIT THE NUMBER OUT ON THE OTHER SIDE. ON ON THAT VIDEO AND IT WAS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, THE MAN WALKED THROUGH HIS SHOP AND PULLED OUT OF HIS SHOP A GEAR AND SAID HERE IS HOW WE DO THIS, GRIND ONE TOOTH OFF OF THIS GEAR AND EVERY TIME 10 BALLOTS GOES THROUGH, WE KICK ONE ON OUR SIDE. THEY GOT NERVOUS AFTERWARDS AND TRIED TO SUPPRESS IT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS HAVE GONE ON IN AMERICA, THEY HAVE GONE ON IN FLORIDA AND OTHER STATES. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ADVOCATE FOR OR DEFEND MORE OPEN ELECTION LAWS AND PROCESS ARE WHETHER THEY REALIZE IT OR NOT, ENABLING ELECTION FRAUD IN THIS COUNTRY.
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I WANT IT TO BE AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE. I DON’T WANT A SINGLE QUALIFIED VOTE TO BE CANCELED OUT BY A QUALIFIED VOTE. I DON’T WANT BUSES GOING ACROSS STATE LINES LOADED WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE TO DO SAME-DAY REGISTRATION. WE HAD VOTERS IN IOWA WHO REGISTERED FROM THE HOTEL ROOM. LIVE IN HOTELS IN THESE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOODS. IT MAY HAPPEN IN THE INNER CITY AND DOESN’T HAPPEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS I’M TALKING ABOUT IN IOWA. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME AND
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AGAIN. STAY A COUPLE OF DAYS AND GONE THESE ARE FOLKS THAT HAVE A HOME OF THEIR OWN AND ISN’T A RESS DENS. WHEN YOU REGISTER TO VOTE FROM A HOTEL, PRETTY SURE IF THAT’S THE HOTEL WHERE THEY PUT THEIR CAMPAIGN WORKERS IT’S A PRETTY GOOD BET THAT THOSE VOTES ARE VOTES FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THAT PRESENT SINK OR WITHIN THE STATE. I HAVE ADVOCATED — LET’S SEE, HERE’S ANOTHER — STATEMENT MADE BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS IF YOU HAVE NO TEXAS DRIVER’S LICENSE YOU HAVE TO GET SOMEONE TO TAKE YOU TO THE POLL. DON’T THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ABSENTEE BALLOT? DO THEY EVER GO TO TOWN, FOR EXAMPLE? AND CAN’T THEY TIME THEIR TRIP TO THE GROCERY STORE ON ELECTION DAY AND VOTE? AND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE PRIMARY PART OF THIS, I THINK THERE ARE SOME FRAUDULENT PRIMARIES THAT TAKE PLACE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REVISIT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE GRANITE STATE REVISIT THEIR PRIMARY PROCESS THAT LETS PEOPLE GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE, DEMOCRATS GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. WE IN IOWA HAVE A CAUCUS SYSTEM AND WE REQUIRE THEY BE REGISTERED AS DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS AND DON’T GET TO SWITCH SIDES THAT EASILY, ALTHOUGH IT IS POSSIBLE IN THE STATE OF IOWA. HERE’S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY. WE NEED TO HAVE VOTER REGISTRATION LISTS THAT ARE FREE OF DUPLICATES AND FREE OF FELONS WHERE THE LAW APPLIES AND NEED CERTIFIED TO BE CITIZENS, NOT A MOTOR-VOTER LAW, PEOPLE WHO DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH WHO GET THEIR DREIER’S LICENSE AND ASK THEM A QUESTION. IF THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND A QUESTION, THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND THEY ARE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY AND CLAIM TO BE A CITIZEN AND THEY ARE NOT. AND THEY GET THE NOD AND REGISTERED TO VOTE AND AN ILLEGAL IS IN A POSITION TO CAST A BALLOT. 537 VOTES HAVE BEEN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ON WOULD BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD DECIDED BY 537 VOTES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. EVERY TIME THEY RECOUNTED, I THINK REPUBLICANS ON THIS SIDE AND DEMOCRATS ON THIS SIDE WILL AGREE THAT IT CAME BACK TO THAT SAME NUMBER AND IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER NARRATIVE, YOU CAN TELL ME, BUT THE CONSENSUS NOW AFTER ALL THE ANALYSIS IS, WE GOT A LEGITIMATE VOTE THERE. GEORGE BUSH WAS NOT THE APPOINTED PRESIDENT BUT ELECTED PRESIDENT, BUT VERY, VERY CLOSE IN THE YEAR 2000 AND DID PIVOT ON FLORIDA, BUT HOW FAR APART WOULD THAT ELECTION HAVE BEEN IF ONE COULD ACTUALLY KNOW WHICH OF THE VOTES WERE FRAUDULENT AND WHICH WERE NOT? LAST TIME I CAME TO THE FLOOR, I HEARD THE WHIP OR THE MINORITY WHIP COME TO THE FLOOR AND MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT WE DIDN’T HAVE EVIDENCE AGAIN, AS WE HEARD FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, NO EVIDENCE THAT FRAUD IS OCCURRING. AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM MARYLAND’S STATEMENT WAS CLOSE TO THAT, BUT NOT EXACT. I WOULD ARGUE THE OPPOSITE. ACORN ADMITTED TO MORE THAN 400,000 FRAUDULENT VOTER REGISTRATION, MORE THAN 400,000
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CONFESSED-TO FRAUDULENT REGISTRATIONS. THIS IS THE ACORN I CARRY IT IN ME IF WE LET ORGANIZATIONS LIKE ACORN WHO SEEK TO DIMINISH THE INTEGRITY OF THE VOTE TAKE OVER. IF THEY DO THAT, THEY ERODE THE FAITH OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AS LONG AS WE BELIEVE THEY ARE LEGITIMATE, AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THEIR RESULTS BECAUSE WE HAVE GREAT FAITH IN THIS CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC WHICH IS GUARANTEED IN ARTICLE 4, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION, BUT THIS COUNTRY RESPECTS THE ELECTION PROCESS AND THAT’S WHY WE ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION PROCESS AND IF WE LOSE FAITH IN IT IN THE ELECTION PROCESS, LEGITIMATE OR NOT, THEN THE VERY BEDROCK THAT THE FOUNDATION OF OUR COUBT COUNTRY, SETS ON, CRUMBLES AND THE CONSTITUTION CRUMBLES BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE LOST OUR ELECTION PROCESS. IT IS TOO MUCH TO ASK IF SOMEONE TO THE POLLS THEY WOULD BRING WITH THEM A PICTURE I.D. I WONDER IF THEY HAVE EVER GOTTEN ON AN AIRPLANE OR RENT A MOVIE AND ASKED FOR AN IDENTIFICATION TO SUPPORT THEIR CREDIT CARD WHEN THEY RENT A MOVIE. I NEVER HEARD ANYONE COME TO THIS CONGRESS AND SAY I DEMAND MY CIVIL LIBERTIES AND DEMAND TO RENT A MOVIE WITHOUT IDENTIFICATION OR CREDIT CARD. WHY CAN’T WE DO IT ON MY WORD AND SIGN IT ON MY WORD, JOE BLOW AND I LIVE AT 100 EXOTIC AVENUE
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AND I WANT TO RENT AN EXOTIC MOVIE. THEY KNOW THEY DON’T HAVE A CIVIL RIGHT TO DO BUSINESS IN
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IDENTIFICATION. THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT IF THE MERCHANT REQUIRES THAT IDENTIFICATION, THEY WILLINGLY SUPPLY IT. AND YET, TO CHOOSE THE NEXT LEADER IN THE FREE WORLD, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE ADVOCATES THAT HAVE STOOD ON THE FLOOR HAVE SAID TO THE EFFECT OF ANYBODY THAT WALKS UP THERE AND ATTESTS THEY ARE A LIVING, BREATHING HUMAN BEING AND LIVE SOMEWHERE, THEY CAN VOTE AND THEY CAN REGISTER ON THE SPOT AND CAN VOTE AND WALK AWAY NOT SHOWING ANY IDENTIFICATION WHATSOEVER. AND IN SOME CASES IT TAKES SOMEONE TO ATTEST THAT THEY ARE THE INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY SAY THEY ARE. THEY DON’T NEED TO MISREPRESENT THEMSELVES AND SAY I’M JOE BLOW AND I LIVE IN THIS PRESINK. SOMETIMES THEY CAN LIE ABOUT WHERE THEY LIVE AND WALK TO THE NEXT PRECINCT AND SAY I’M JOE END BLOW AT THE NEXT PRECINCT AND P. Q. R. AND PUT A MIDDLE NAME IN THEIR NAME AND WE DON’T HAVE THE INTEGRITY IN OUR ELECTION PROCESS THAT WE NEED. BEING GAMED. I KNOW WE AREN’T GETTING THE PROSECUTIONS AND CONVICTIONS BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE TO GET THE CONVICTIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE ERODED TO THE POINT WHERE THERE ISN’T A BASIS TO BRING THAT KIND OF A PROSECUTION. AND WATCHED GEORGE SOROS INVEST INTO MULTIPLE CAMPAIGNS AND THOSE WERE IN SWING STATES. AND WHAT HAPPENED? WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THOSE REAL CLOSE ELECTIONS AT THE LAST MINUTE, VOTES SHOWED UP THAT WERE SURPRISES AND THE ELECTION TURNED. WE HAVE ONE SENATOR DOWN THE AISLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
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ARRIVED IN THAT FASHION, MR. SPEAKER. AND SO I AM DISTURBED ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THESE ELECTIONS IF THEY DO NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE ACTUAL WILL OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION THAT SHOULD BE VOTING FOR THOSE CANDIDATES AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ENHANCE THE INTEGRITY OF THE BALLOT. I WOULD SHORTEN THE TERMS THAT A PERSON COULD BE ASKING FOR AN ABSENTEE BALLOT AND TIGHTEN THE CONDITIONS SO THAT IF IT’S REASONABLE FOR YOU TO VOTE IN PERSON ON ELECTION DAY, DO SO. THESE ELECTIONS SHOULD NOT BE A DRAWN-OUT 45 OR 90-DAY ABSENTEE BALLOT AFFAIR. THE MORE WE CAST OUR BALLOTS FROM AFAR, THE MORE WE ARE VOTING FOR A CANDIDATE THAT PASSED AWAY DURING A CAMPAIGN AND THE LESS LIKELY WE NEED TO KNOW TO MAKE A REASONED JUDGMENT ABOUT THAT CANDIDATE. IN FACT WE HAVE ELECTED A SENATOR WHO HAVE PASSED AWAY IN A TRAGIC PLANE ACCIDENT AND I REGRET THAT THAT HAPPENED, BUT THE PEOPLE WENT TO THE POLLS AND VOTED TO ELECT THAT PERSON WHO WAS PAST AWAY. I’M FOR A VOTER REGISTRATION APPLIES TO FELONS, A GOVERNMENT-ISSUED PICTURE I.D. THAT HAS LEGITIMACY AND OPPOSE TODD MOTOR-VOTER AND SATELLITE VOTING AND OPPOSED TO SAME-DAY REGISTRATION. AND ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS OF THE ELECTION PROCESS, THERE
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BALLOT. NEEDS TO BE A PAPER TRAIL TO THE LET’S HAVE INTEGRITY AND A CERTIFICATION THAT THEY BE CITIZENS FROM THE SECRETARIES OF EACH OF THE STATES AND THEN IF WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH INTEGRITY IN OUR BALLOT, THEY NEED TO FIND OUT HOW MANY DUPLICATES THERE REALLYR AND THERE WOULD BE MANY. I HAVE LESS FAITH IN THIS THAN MOST OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DOES. AND IF THEY HAD THE EXPOSURE WHAT I HAD, I WOULD SUBMIT THERE WOULDN’T BE THE CONFIDENCE THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAS AND THE LACK OF CONFIDENCE MIGHT RESULT A DIFFERENT KIND OF RESULT HERE WITHIN THIS CONGRESS AND WITHIN THE STATES. I THINK THEY WOULD IMPOSE MORE INTEGRITY IN THE BALLOT PROCESS. I DIDN’T COME HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT. I LISTENED TO THE GENTLELADY AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE IN THE PREVIOUS PERIOD AND FELT I HAD TO EXPRESS THE OTHER VIEW POINT. AND I CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE TRANSFORM THIS ECONOMY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. AND BEING FROM IOWA, I HAVE LISTENED TO THE ECONOMIC PROPOSALS OF EACH OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. I HAVE LISTENED TO THEM MAKE THEIR PITCH FOR THEIR VISION OF AMERICA. AND I SAID LAST JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND MARCH AND THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND CLEAR INTO AUGUST AT LEAST, THAT WE DON’T HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE WHO HAS PUT TOGETHER AN ECONOMIC RECOVERY PLAN. YES THEY HAVE COMPONENTS AND TWEAK IT AROUND THE EDGES AND ONE PIECE OR ANOTHER IS WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING OUR ECONOMY BACK WHERE IT BE LONGS. I WATCHED THIS ECONOMY DEINVOLVE DOWNWARD AND IT IS IN A DEEP TROUGH AND THE LENGTH OF THIS TROUGH THAT WE ARE IN AND IT IS AN ECONOMIC FACT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PATTERNS OF ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DECLINE THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THE FREE MARKET WORLD, ONE WILL SEE THAT WHENEVER THERE HAS BEEN A KEYNESIAN ECONOMIC THEORY FLIDE, THE MORE VIGOR, THE LONGER THE TROUGH FOR RECOVER. IF ONE LOOKS AT THE GRANDEST EXPERIMENT OF KEYNESIAN, FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT’S NEW DEAL THAT HE UNLEASHED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS TERM, THE STOCK MARKET CRASHED IN 1929 AND THE THROES IN THAT THRIFT THAT WAS A GLOBAL TREND AND HERBERT HOOVER BELIEVED HE COULD STEER GOVERNMENT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. HE TRIED TO STEER GOVERNMENT AND WENT THE OTHER WAY ON HIM. COOLIDGE HAD A HANDLE ON IT EARLIER IN THE PREVIOUS DECADE AND THAT — LET’S SEE HOW DID THAT GO, DON’T JUST STAND THERE, DO NOTHING. AND BECAUSE THE FREE MARKET
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. SYSTEM WILL RECOVER ITSELF. WE HAD THEN THE NEW DEAL THAT FLOWED OUT OF FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT, WE HAD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ULTIMATELY WERE SPENT THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD OF TIME, AT LEAST IN TODAY’S DOLLARS, AND THE C.C.C. CAMP, THE W.P.A. PROGRAMS, THE T.V.A.,
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ON THAT CAME OUT OF ROOSEVELT. THE LIST WENT OBJECT AND ON AND THROW SOME MORE MONEY AT IT, BORROW SOME MONEY, GROW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND PUT MONEY INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE AND IF YOU DO THAT, THE THEORY WAS, ACCORDING TO CAINS — KEYNES, HIS CURSE LINKERS ON US TODAY, THAT IF WOULD YOU.NET MONEY ONTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE, THEY WOULD SPEND IT AND THE ECONOMY WOULD RECOVER. IN OTHER WORDS, WE COULD SPEND OURSELVES INTO PROSPERITY, ACCORDING TO JOHN KEYNES. NOW, FRANKLY ROOSEVELT BOUGHT INTO THE KEYNESIAN ECONOMIC THEORY WITH MORE VIGOR THAN GEORGE W. BUSH BOUGHT INTO THE HENRY PAULSON STIMULUS PLAN OR SHOULD I SAY THE TARP PLAN, $700 BILLION TOSSED IN THERE TO PICK UP TOXIC DEBT, WAS THE PLAN. BUT BACK IN THE 1930’S IT WAS F.D.R.’S PLAN TO FOLLOW KEYNES’ DIRECTIVE WHICH WAS, PUT MONEY INTO THE HANDS OF PEOPLE AND GET THEM TO SPEND IT AND YOU’LL STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT OUR WAS CONSUMER-DRIVEN. WELL, MR. SPEAKER, EVERY KEYNESIAN EXPERIMENT THAT I KNOW OF IN HISTORY, AND THAT INCLUDES ROOSEVELT’S NEW DEAL, IT INCLUDES THE JAPANESE, AND IT ABSOLUTELY INCLUDES BARACK OBAMA’S ECONOMIC STIMULUS PLANS, HIS APPROACH TO THIS, BY THE WAY, THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT OBAMA, HAS TOLD US DIRECTLY FACE TO FACE THAT HE BELIEVES THAT ROOSEVELT LOST HIS NERVE, THAT HE SHOULD HAVE SPENT A LOT MORE MONEY IN THE 1930’S, THAT BECAUSE HE LOST HIS NERVE AND DIDN’T SPEND MORE, IT BROUGHT ABOUT A RECESSION, BROUGHT ABOUT A RECESSION WITHIN A DEPRESSION AND UNEMPLOYMENT WENT UP BECAUSE ROOSEVELT DIDN’T BORROW AND SPEND ENOUGH GOVERNMENT MONEY. WELL, I KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO COMPETE WITH A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS MORE MONEY THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS. I KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO TRY TO HIRE SOMEBODY OFF OF UNEMPLOYMENT, I KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO TRAIN EMPLOYEES, PUT THEM ON A BENEFITS PLAN AND HAVE THEM FINALLY IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN BE A FULL TIME EMPLOYEE THAT CAN YIELD A RETURN ON THE WORK THAT THEY’RE DOING AND YOU CAN COUNT ON THEM BEING TO WORK EVERY DAY AND LOOK AT HOW THEIR CAREER IS LAID OUT WORKING FOR YOUR COMPANY, AND HAVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR THE STATE GOVERNMENT OR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR EVEN THE CITY GOVERNMENT COME IN AND OUTBID YOU FOR THOSE SERVICES. A HOW DO THEY DO THAT? THEY DO THAT BY LOOKING AROUND AND THINKING, HERE’S THIS TRAINED EMPLOYEE, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET THEM? AND THEY’LL UP THE, A N — ANTE UNTIL THEY CAN HIRE THIS TRAINED EMPLOYEE AND INEVITABLY THAT EMPLOYEE WILL TAKE THE OFFER OF THE HIGHER PAYCHECK AND A BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT COMPETES OR EXCEEDS THE ONE THAT YOU CAN OFFER FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND GO TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT. WELL, THEY DON’T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD, WHERE THE HOURS ARE MORE PREDICTABLE, WHERE THE RISK OF EMPLOYMENT IS LESS AND IT’S MORE STABLE. I RECOGNIZE THAT. BETTER WAGES AND BETTER BENEFITS AND ALL OF THOSE COMFORTS THAT COME WITH A GOVERNMENT JOB WORK AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND SO PRIVATE SECTOR EMPLOYERS THEN FIND THEMSELVES FACED WITH HAVING TO GO OUT AND HIRE MORE HELP AND TRAIN MORE HELP AND SEE THAT THOSE EMPLOYEES ROLL OVER INTO THE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT. HERE’S THE DOWNSIDE, WHERE DOES THE GOVERNMENT COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO PAY MORE WAGES AND BETTER BENEFITS WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN INCREASINGLY DOING OVER THE LAST GENERATION? BY RAISING TAXES. THE GOVERNMENT RAISES TAXES TO GET THE REVENUE TO BID AGAINST THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT COMES OUT AND MAKES AN OFFER THAT SAYS, WE’RE GOING TO EXTEND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS UP TO 99 WEEKS, NOW IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO RECOVER BECAUSE ONCE THEY’RE COMPETING WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S OFFER, THE GOVERNMENT’S OFFER TO HIRE EMPLOYEES AWAY OR THE GOVERNMENT’S OFFER TO PAY PEOPLE NOT TO WORK. AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? THIS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BORROWS IT. THIS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BORROWS IT FROM THE CHINESE, FROM THE SAUDIS, BORROWS IT FROM MULTIPLE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD AND ABOUT 50% OF IT, TO BE FAIR, COMES FROM INVESTORS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES DOMESTIC FUNDS THAT ARE INVESTED INTO U.S. TREASURY BILLS. FOR EXAMPLE, — SO A GOVERNMENT THAT BELIEVES THAT IT CAN STIMULATE THE ECONOMY BY STIMULATING CONSUMPTION AND COMPLETELY IGNORES THE PART OF THE EQUATION THAT REQUIRES THAT THERE BE PRODUCTION AND FOR THE ECONOMY TO FUNCTION AND I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IF NO ONE IS PRODUCING ANY FOOD, CLOTHING OR SHELTER, IF NO ONE IS PRODUCING ANY TRANSPORTATION LINKS OUT THERE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, IF NO ONE IS MAKING AVAILABLE ANY OF THE RECREATION ALPHA SILTS THAT WILL ATTRACT THOSE DOLLARS, THERE’S NO NOT PRODUCTION. IF THERE’S NOT PRODUCTION THERE’S NO PLACE FOR ANYONE TO
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SPEND THEIR MONEY. THIS ECONOMY IS PRODUCTION-DRIVEN, NOT CONSUMPTION-DRIVEN AND WE MUST, TO GROW OUT OF THIS ECONOMIC SITUATION THAT WE’RE IN, WE MUST PRODUCE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT HAVE A MARKETABLE VALUE, BOTH DOMESTICALLY AND ABROAD. WHEN WE DO THAT, AND WE WILL EVENTUALLY DO THAT, THIS COUNTRY WILL GROW OUT OF THIS PROBLEM THAT WE ARE IN. BUT WE MUST GET GOVERNMENT OFF OF OUR BACK, WE MUST KEEP A COMPETITIVE TAX RATE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE MUST REDUCE OUR REGULATION, WE MUST STIMULATE OUR ENTREPRENEURS AND THIS REPUBLICAN SIDE OF THE AISLE HAS NOW FOR ABOUT THREE
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JOBS? YEARS BEEN SAYING, WHERE ARE THE MR. PRESIDENT, WHERE ARE THE JOBS? WELL, I’VE HEARD THAT ECHO MANY TIMES IN THIS CHAMBER AND ACROSS
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COUNTRY. THROUGH THE MEDIA OUTLETS IN THE BUT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THERE’S SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT’S REQUIRED BEFORE THERE WILL BE ANY JOBS AND THAT’S THE PROSPECT OF PROFIT. INVESTORS, EMPLOYERS, ENTREPRENEURS MUST HAVE A PROSPECT FOR PROFIT BEFORE THEY WILL INVEST THEIR MONEY OR PUT THEIR TIME IN OR TAKE THE RISK OF HIRING EMPLOYEES. ESPECIALLY WITH EVER-MORE REGULATIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH OBAMACARE POORING DOWN OVER EVERYTHING WE DO — POURING DOWN OVER EVERYTHING WE DO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET TO A RECOVERY UNTIL INVESTORS, ENTREPRENEURS AND EMPLOYERS CAN SEE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROFIT AND BEGIN TO REALIZE THAT PROFIT BECAUSE YOU CAN’T WRITE PAYCHECKS FOR EMPLOYEES FROM A DEFICIT SPENDING VERY LONG, YOU MUST HAVE PROFIT IN ORDER TO PAY EMPLOYEES. SO IF THERE’S GOING TO BE JOBSERS AND WE WANT AMERICANS TO GO TO WORK, YOU MUST HAVE PROFIT IN ORDER TO FUND THE WAGES. AND I DON’T KNOW WHY I DON’T HEAR THAT FROM ANYBODY ELSE. IT’S AS IF THIS WORD PROFIT IS A DIRTY WORD. NO IT’S A VERY GOOD THING. AMERICA IS A COUNTRY THAT HAS TO BUILD ON PROFIT, ON FREE ENTERPRISE CAPITALISM. I JUST TOOK A LOOK AT MY DESK DRAWER TODAY. THERE ARE FLASH CARDS IN THERE THAT WERE PUBLISHED IN 2008. THESE ARE THE FLASH CARDS THAT ENABLE ONE TO BE TRAINED FOR
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NATURALIZATION HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. SO IF YOU WANT TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, AND YOU COME TO AMERICA LEGALLY, GET YOURSELF A GREAN CARD, AND WHAT — GREEN CARD, AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU HAVE TO T.S.A. TAKE A TEST. WHAT’S PART THAT HAVE TEST? WHAT’S THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM? FREE ENTERPRISE CAPITALISM. THAT’S A LITTLE HEADS UP, MR. PRESIDENT. I HOPE YOU CAN PASS THAT TEST. MR. SPEAKER, I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. THE
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GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK. UNDER THE SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCED POLICY OF JANUARY 5, 2011, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM OREGON, MR. BLUMENAUER, FOR 30 MINUTES.
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THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, SHARING SOME OBSERVATIONS. IT IS OF COURSE ALWAYS INTERESTING TO HAVE SHARED THE FLOOR WITH MY GOOD FRIEND FROM IOWA, LISTENING TO HIS VIEW OF THE UNIVERSITY — UNIVERSE. AND EVEN WINCING A LITTLE BIT AS I HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT THE VILIFIED PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, WHERE THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORK AS HARD AND THEY GET LOTS MORE MONEY THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. IT’S INTERESTING THAT MOST INDEPENDENT STUDIES SUGGEST THAT FOR MANY CATEGORIES OF PUBLIC ARE NOT ABOVE THE MARKET AND IT’S SORT OF A FANTASYLAND, I THINK, TO HAVE THIS DISDAIN THAT WAS OVERWHELMINGLY REJECTED IN OHIO, WHEN VOTERS HAD A CHANCE TO PUT A STAMP OF APPROVAL ON THE FAIRLY RADICAL AGENDA OF GOVERNOR CASIC, OUR FORMER COLLEAGUE HERE ON THE FLOOR — IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. THINGS, BY THE WAY, THAT CASIC AND HIS FELLOW TRAVELER, GOVERNOR WALKER IN WISCONSIN,
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DIDN’T TALK ABOUT DURING THE ELECTION. BUT TURNING THEIR GUNS ON PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, VOTERS IN OHIO HAD A CHANCE TO GIVE THEIR VERDICT AND IT’S INTERESTING THAT THEY OVERWHELMINGLY REPUDIATED THIS NOTION, THE LACK OF VALUE OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, THE FACT THAT THEY’RE SLACKERS, LAG ARDS, AND THAT WHAT THEY DO IS NOT WORTHY OF PUBLIC SUPPORT. WASN’T THE PUBLIC HEALTH NURSE, THE FIREFIGHTER, THE TEACHER, THE MARINE, THE PERSON IN NAVY THAT ALMOST WRECKED THE ECONOMY. MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES, THEY ARE EXTRAORDINARILY HARDWORKING AND I’M HAPPY TO INVITE MY FRIEND FROM IOWA TO COME MEET SOME VERY HARDWORKING PUBLIC EMPLOYEES IN IOWA AND IN PORTLAND, OREGON. I THINK THOSE GENERALIZATIONS ARE REALLY UNFORTUNATE. IT’S FEEDING WHAT WE SEE IN TERMS OF THE BACK AND FORTH NOW, IT’S ACTUALLY WHY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED
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BY THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MOVEMENT. BUT I’M HERE TONIGHT TO DEAL WITH ONE VERY SPECIFIC FOCUS THAT I THINK NEEDS SOME MORE ATTENTION AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE POSTAL SERVICE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS TODAY WHERE PEOPLE ARE ZEROING IN, YOU WILL HEAR SOME TALK OF FOLKS THAT WOULD FEEL MUCH BETTER IF WE JUST PRIVATIZED THE POSTAL SERVICE. GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS, LET THE PRIVATE SECTOR PROVIDE THIS SERVICE TO AMERICAN HOUSEHOLDS AND COMMERCE, AND THAT WE’LL ALL BE BETTER OFF. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO — FOR TO US TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE FACTS AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES. YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE HAS A LONG AND STORIED CAREER. IT’S THE SECOND OLDEST FEDERAL AGENCY. IN FACT, THE PREDECESSOR WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BY THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS AND BEN FRANKLIN WAS THE POST MASTER THERE, JUST AS HE WAS AMERICA’S FIRST POSTAL — POSTMASTER. THE POSTAL SERVICE IS ONE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT MAYBE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE FLOOR OF OVERLOOKED WHEN THEY HAD THIS GREAT CEREMONY OF READING
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SESSION. THE CONSTITUTION EARLY IN THE AND THEN PROCEED TO ACT AS THOUGH THEY REALLY AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE CONSTITUTION. THE ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8, DERIVING — EXPLAINING THE CONGRESS’ POWERS, ONE OF THEM IS SPECIFICALLY TO ESTABLISH POST OFFICES AND POST ROADS. THIS WAS ONE OF THE UNIQUE INSTITUTIONS THAT HELPED BRING AMERICA TOGETHER. AND IT IS STILL BRINGING AMERICA TOGETHER TODAY. IT IS IN FACT A VAST AND SPRAWLING ENTERPRISE. IT EMPLOYEES — EMPLOYS MORE PEOPLE THAN THE ENTIRE AUTO INDUSTRY IN THE UNITED STATES, WHAT WE USED TO CALL THE BIG THREE, IT’S THE SECOND LARGEST NONMILITARY EMPLOYER IN THIS COUNTRY. IT HAS MORE INSTALLATIONS THAN WAL-MART, STARBUCKS, AND MCDONALD’S PUT TOGETHER. EVEN THOUGH A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE BEEN CLOSED OVER THE YEARS. THERE’S A REASON THAT WE’VE MADE THIS INVESTMENT FOR 235 YEARS. THERE’S A REASON THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEDICATED EMPLOYEES. THERE IS A REASON WHY WE HAVE THE BROAD SWEEP AND THAT IS THIS CRITICAL ELEMENT OF HOLDING OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER. IT IS A BACKBONE OF COMMERCE. WE TALK TODAY ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF THE FUTURE, ECOMMERCE IS A LARGE AND GROWING AREA. IT RELIES UPON THE POSTAL SERVICE FOR MUCH OF ITS EFFICIENCY.
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AND I’LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT IT’S ALSO A TREMENDOUS
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. RESOURCE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC MAIL HERE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., IF — BEFORE I GET BACK TO MY HOME IN PORTLAND, I CAN DROP MY TAX PAYMENT IN THE MAIL, 44 CENTS, WITH GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT THAT’S GOING TO ARRIVE IN A TIMELY FASHION IN MY — AND MY BILL WILL BE PAID. I THINK, THIS IS — IT IS, I THINK, INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE LARGE NATIONAL DIRECT MAIL MARKETING INDUSTRY THAT INVOLVES ADVERTISING AND SHIPPING WORTH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR AND AGAIN VERY IMPORTANT TO A LARGE NUMBER OF AMERICANS. . IF MY COLLEAGUES JUST TURN THE POSTAL SERVICE OVER TO PROVIDE THIS ACTIVITY TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIKE U.P.S. AND FED EX, THEY ACTUALLY RELY ON
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CONNECTION. FOR THAT LAST THERE IS ACTUALLY AN IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THESE CARRIERS AND THE POSTAL SERVICE. NOW THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT IF WE COMPLETELY PRIVATIZE, TURNED IT OVER, GOT OUT OF THE WAY, THERE WOULD BE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD BENEFIT, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN VERY LARGE CITIES, PEOPLE WHO ARE BIG BUSINESSES THAT CAN NEGOTIATE CERTAIN TYPES OF SERVICES MAY ACTUALLY SEE A LITTLE BIT OF RATE REDUCTION AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT FOR THEIR NEEDS. FOR THEM, THE FREE MARKET MAY PROVIDE A MODEST BENEFIT — MAYBE. BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE REST OF AMERICA, THE OTHER 99%, PARTICULARLY RURAL AND SMALL-TOWN AMERICA. DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEND A LETTER TO NOME, QUEA FOR 44 CENTS IF GOVERNMENT WASN’T THERE PROVIDING THAT GOVERNMENT SERVICE? I DON’T THINK SO. WE WOULD ALSO LOSE THE PERSONAL TOUCH THAT IS SO CHERISHED BY SO MANY. WE ARE HEARING THE OUTCRIES NOW. I HEAR IT IN OREGON, WHERE THERE ARE DOZENS OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED TO LOSE THEIR POSTAL SERVICE. EVERY RURAL AND SMALL-TOWN AMERICAN COMMUNITY WILL FEEL THAT BITE. HIGHER COSTS, LESS SERVICE, LOSS OF JOBS, LOSS OF COMMUNITY IDENTITY, LOSS OF CONNECTIVITY. I WOULD URGE SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES TO TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO RURAL POST MASTERS AND LETTER CARRIERS ABOUT THE ROLE THAT THEY PLAY IN THESE PARTS OF AMERICA. THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY. IT IS A PLACE WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS GATHER. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO BE IN TOUCH WITH LOVED ONES AND TO BE IN TOUCH VIA THE MAGIC OF ECOMMERCE. THEY HAVE FAR MORE CHOICES AND OPPORTUNITIES. WELL, AS WE — BEFORE WE JETTISON THAT ELEMENT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO OUR NATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT’S WHAT IT IS. IT’S NOT JUST THE LARGEST SOURCE OF NONMILITARY FAMILY-WAGED JOBS IN AMERICA. I DON’T THINK WAL-MART IS NECESSARILY THE CRITERION THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT FOR FAMILY-WAGE JOBS FOR HEALTH CARE AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A TIME — AND THAT’S WHAT MOST PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE CLASS, IF NOT TOOK FOR GRANTED, AT LEAST ASPIRED TO AND MOST OF US GROWING UP IN POST-WORLD WAR II AMERICA SAW THAT, THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK HARD AND BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH, THEY HAD. WELL, MORE AND MORE, THE NORM IS THAT IS UNUSUAL. I HOPE WE DON’T REACH THE POINT WHERE WE LOWER THE STANDARD. BUT 2/3 OF A MILLION FAMILY-WAGE JOBS, WITH DESCENT SECURITY AND BENEFITS, PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE, IS IMPORTANT. BUT IT’S THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TIES AMERICA TOGETHER THAT I THINK IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT. NOW, THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE POSTAL SERVICE THAT ARE HIDDEN AWAY THAT PEOPLE SIMPLY CONTINUE PAY ANY ATTENTION TO. IN PART, I GUESS I WOULD JUST REFERENCE THE EXEMPLARY SERVICE THAT IS PROVIDED BY MOST POSTAL EMPLOYEES. IN FACT, IT IS — I KNOW A NUMBER OF POSTAL EMPLOYEES WHO ARE HIGHLY REGARDED BY THE PEOPLE ON THEIR ROUTE. THEY ARE RECOGNIZEDOR THEIR BIRTHDAY AND GET CHRISTMAS BIRTHDAYS AND PEOPLE LOOK FORWARD TO THEM AND RELY ON THIS SERVICE AND APPRECIATE IT. POSTAL EMPLOYEES ARE INVOLVED WITH A WIDE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES IN TERMS OF HELL MING PEOPLE WITH THEIR — PELL PPING PEOPLE WITH THEIR TAX RETURN AND CHECKING ON HOUSE-BOUND FRIENDS
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AMISS. AND NEIGHBORS WHEN SOMETHING IS IT IS A POSTAL EMPLOYEE WHO UNDERSTANDS IT FIRST. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND LOOK AT THE SERVICE THAT IS PROVIDED AND LOOK AT WHAT DIFFERENCE IT IS FOR AMERICA AND LOOK AT IT AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE ARE GOING AS A COUNTRY. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGED IS THAT THIS IS THE SO-CALLED CRISIS THAT WE ARE FACING, MUCH LIKE THE SUMMER’S DEBT CEILING CRISIS. IT’S MANUFACTURED. THE SAME WAY THAT WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO PAY THE DEBTS THAT THE UNITED STATES HAD ALWAYS ALREADY INCURRED, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE RAISING DOUBTS. THEY CREATED A POLITICAL FIRESTORM AND ENCOURAGED THE DOWNGRADE IN THE EYES OF SOME IN ONE RATING AGENCY IN UNITED STATES DEBT BUT WE WERE GOING TO PAY OUR BILLS BUT POSSIBLE TO MANUFACTURE A CRISIS. OFFICE IS FACING A CONTINUE AGE OF THE THEME THAT HAS PLAGUED ITS EXISTENCE EVER SINCE WASHINGTON DECIDED TO TRAP THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE BETWEEN BEING A BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENT CONTROL. BUSINESS DEMANDS, GOVERNMENT CONTROL. BACK, MR. SPEAKER, WHEN THE POSTAL SERVICE CEASED BEING A FORMAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY, THERE WERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT WERE NEGOTIATED, BECAUSE FOR YEARS, THE POST OFFICE WAS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. THE BENEFIT, THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WAS RECOGNIZED WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT THE POST OFFICE PROVIDED SUBSIDIZED MAIL SERVICE FROM — SOME PEOPLE THREE-CENT STAMP. SOME PEOPLE REMEMBER THE POSTAL SERVICE HELP LAUNCH THE AVIATION AGENCY IN THIS COUNTRY. WHEN AIR MAIL SERVICE BEGAN BETWEEN NEW YORK CITY AND WASHINGTON, D.C. THE POST OFFICE WAS PART OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. THE POST OFFICE HELPED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD SERVICE THAT HELPED CITIES LARGE AND SMALL. WELL, IN 1970, THE POST OFFICE — THE POSTAL RE-ORGANIZATION ACT CHANGED THE POST OFFICE FROM BEING A DEPARTMENT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BEING AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY. IT CREATED A BOARD OF GOVERNORS. IT AUTHORIZED THE POSTAL SERVICE TO BORROW FROM THE PUBLIC AND PHASED OUT THE GOVERNMENT APPROPRIATION FOR OPERATIONS. AND BY 1982, THAT PUBLIC BENEFIT, THAT NATIONAL CONNECTION WAS ENTIRELY ELIMINATED. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THAT NEGOTIATION. AT THE TIME, THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES PAST AND CURRENT, WHO WERE PART OF A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT SYSTEM AND ITS SUCCESSOR SYSTEM THAT FOLLOWED ON IN THE 1980’S. THEIR RETIREMENT WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT HAD BEEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR OVER 180 YEARS. THERE WERE NEGOTIATIONS AT THAT TIME ABOUT HOW MUCH THE POSTAL SERVICE WOULD HAVE TO PICK UP VERSUS — IN TERMS OF THAT LIABILITY, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A LONG-STANDING RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE WAY THE POST OFFICE OPERATED. THERE WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PAYMENT THAT THE NEW POST OFFICE PAID INTO THE OLD RETIREMENT SYSTEMS BY VIRTUE OF EMPLOYEES WHO WERE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. WELL, YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETELY PRIVATIZE IT AND CUT IT LOOSE, BUT THAT WAS A LONG-STANDING FEDERAL OBLIGATION. A DEAL WAS CUT. A NUMBER WAS PICKED. AND IT WAS, I THINK, ARGUABLY, A PRETTY GENEROUS DEAL ON THE PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ON THE PART OF CONGRESS, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WERE FORCING THE POST OFFICE TO PAY. IT’S NOT UNLIKE WHAT HAS HAPPENED MORE RECENTLY WHEN THE BEEN REQUIRED, UNLIKE OTHER BUSINESSES OR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO PREFUND HEALTH PAYMENTS FOR FUTURE EMPLOYEES, TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS HAVE BEEN EXTRACTED FROM THE POSTAL SERVICE AND CURRENT OPERATIONS TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT’S GOING TO BE FAR IN THE FUTURE, SOMETHING, AGAIN, AS I SAY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN’T DO, PRIVATE EMPLOYERS DON’T DO. YOU CAN ARGUE ABOUT HOW EVERYBODY WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THAT HAPPENED, BUT IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF CREATING AN ARTIFICIAL CRISIS AND THESE TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WERE EXTRACTED IN THE EARLY DEAL OR TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ARE NOW FLOUGR FLOWING BECAUSE OF THE 2006 ACT HAVE DESTABILIZED THE POSTAL SERVICE AT A TIME — I MEAN IT’S CLEAR
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IS STRESSED. REVENUES HAVE DROPPED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. IN PART, THERE IS ECOMMERCE AND A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE ROUTINELY EMAILED THAT WE WOULD HAVE MAILED EVEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND OF COURSE, WITH THE BUBBLE BURSTING IN THE ECONOMY, NEAR MELTDOWN, WE HAVE SEEN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY DECLINE. SO THE POST OFFICE HAS FACED $20 BILLION IN LOST REVENUE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND IT’S SOMETHING THAT, IN FACT, NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT WE OUGHT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DYNAMIC IS, THAT BY FORCING THE POST OFFICE TO PREFUND ITS FUTURE HEALTH CARE BENEFITS FOR THE NEXT 75 YEARS IN AN ASTONISHING 10-YEAR TIME FRAME WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CALCULATED TO STRESS THE POSTAL SERVICE EVEN IF THE ECONOMY HADN’T COLLAPSED. YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE PROVISIONS OF THAT 2006 LEGISLATION, THE POSTAL SERVICE WOULD BE OPERATING AT A SURPLUS EVEN WITH THE CHALLENGES TODAY. WELL, THERE ARE INTERESTING PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND. I MUST CONFESS A LITTLE PARTIAL TO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROPOSALS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD THAT WOULD HELP TAKE THE POST OFFICE OFF LIFE SUPPORT ALLOWING US TO ADDRESS THESE LARGER ISSUES. NOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN VARIATIONS THAT CONGRESS COULD HAVE DEALT WITH IN THE PAST, POLICY QUESTIONS. SHOULD IT COST THE SAME TO MAIL LETTER FROM HERE TO THE WHITE HOUSE AS IT DOES FROM KEY WEST TO NOME, KEA. DO WE HAVE VEARKT IN QUESTION? THERE MAY BE SOME ARGUMENTS FOR DOING THAT. BUT BUT FOR THE CONGRESS OVER THE YEARS HAS HAMSTRUNG THE POST OFFICE, ARGUING THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE PUBLIC SUPPORT AND OPERATE LIKE A BUSINESS AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND DENYING THE POSTAL SERVICE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT PRIVATE BUSINESS HAS IN TERMS OF UPSETTING RATES, DIFFERENTIAL RATES. IN TERMS OF MOVING INTO CERTAIN PRODUCT LINES. IN AN ENTERPRISE THAT WE VALUE THAT HAS THIS VAST INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS IN PLACE OF THOUSANDS OF DEDICATED EMPLOYEES, OVER 30,000 LOCATIONS, A TRADITION OF SERVICE AND CONNECTIVITY TO AMERICANS SIX DAYS A WEEK, WE WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE GIVEN A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE. WELL, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT THERE IS AVAILABLE INTEREST IN ALLOWING THEM TO ACTUALLY
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. OPERATE LIKE A BUSINESS. I DO HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES, AS THEY LOOK AT THE REFORM PROPOSALS COMING FORWARD, AND LOOK AT WHETHER WE’RE GOING TO GIVE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY TO USE THE RESOURCES THEY ALREADY HAVE AND NOT PENALIZE THEM WITH DRACONIAN AND UNREALISTIC REQUIREMENTS, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THESE PROPOSALS WILL HAVE ON RURAL AND SMALL TOWN AMERICA. YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY HAS INTERNET, THAT MAKE EMAIL AND MEETING YOUR — READING YOUR FAVORITE MAGAZINE ONLINE VERY DIFFICULT. THERE ARE TWO MILLION AMERICANS THAT STILL LACK ACCESS TO BROADBAND SERVICES WITH OVER 3/4
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AREAS. OF THOSE PEOPLE LIVING IN RURAL I MENTIONED THAT IN MY STATE OF OREGON THERE ARE OVER 40 POST OFFICES THAT ARE LISTED FOR POSSIBLE CLOSURE. PEOPLE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THOSE IMPACTS, IF YOU LIVE — OVER HALF THEM — OF THE PEOPLE IN THESE COMMUNITIES ARE LOCATED MORE THAN 10 — MORE THAN 10 MILES FROM THE NEXT NEAREST POST OFFICE. SOME ARE AS FAR AS 33 MILES AWAY. WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF HAVING CUSTOMERS DRIVE AN HOUR ROUND TRIP TO VISIT THE NEAREST POST OFFICE? IS THAT REASONABLE? YOU KNOW, IT’S A LITTLE FOR ME THAT AS WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE IMPACTS, THE ATTENTION THAT IS PAID TO RURAL SMALL TOWN AMERICA HAS NOT BEEN, I THINK, GIVEN ITS DUE. ONE OF THE AREAS IS THE PROPOSAL OF ELIMINATING SIX-DAY SERVICE. LET’S CONSIDER HOW IMPORTANT SATURDAY MAIL DELIVERY IS FOR COMMUNICATION AND MARKETING. UTILIZED BY MILLIONS OF CITIZENS AND MAILINGS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
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AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS NOW WHO ARE USING THE POST SERVICE TO DELIVER PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS, A SERVICE THAT RELIES ON MOVING THE MAIL SIX DAYS A WEEK, NOT LYING DORMANT IN MAIL PROCESSING FACILITIES FOR TWO, THREE DAYS OR DEPENDING ON HOW HOLIDAYS WILL FALL, MAYBE LONGER. IT WILL HAVE MEGTIVE IMPACTS IN — NEGATIVE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO — FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SIGN FOR PACKAGES IF THEY’RE NOT HOME OVER THE WEEKEND. THINK ABOUT THESE DETAILS. THINK ABOUT WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN IF YOU ELIMINATE SATURDAY DELIVERY FOR THE POST OFFICE, CUSTOMERS ARE LIKELY TO SEE PRIVATE CARRIERS CHARGE MUCH HIGHER SURCHARGES TO HAVE THEM DELIVER THAT OPTION OR GO LONG DISTANCES TO PICK UP THEIR MAIL AFTER RENTING OUT PRIVATE POST OFFICE BOX FOR THAT PURPOSE. SATURDAY SERVICE DISTINGUISHES THE PRODUCT LINE THAT WE ALLOW THE POSTAL SERVICE TO HAVE AND I FURTHER DIMINISHES THEIR ABILITY TO BE MORE SELF-SUPPORTING. AND, OF COURSE, ELIMINATING THE SIX-DAY SERVICE IS GOING TO ELIMINATE 80,000 MIDDLE CLASS JOBS. THERE’S — AND THEY DO SO WITH SOME REAL QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE SAVING IS ACTUALLY GOING TOE CUR. — TO OCCUR. THE POSTAL REGULATORY COMMISSION WAS SET UP AS PART OF THIS MEGISM IN — MECHANISM TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT POST OFFICE. THEY DO SOME OUTSTANDING WORK, THERE’S SOME REALLY BRIGHT PEOPLE, AND THE REGULATORY COMMISSION FOUND THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE HAS MISCALCULATED THE POTENTIAL SAVINGS BY ABOUT $1.4 BILLION A YEAR WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ELIMINATING SIX-DAY SERVICE. THEY FOUND THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE ADDITIONALLY FAILED TO ACCOUNT FOR NEARLY HALF A BILLION IN LOST REVENUE THAT WOULD COME FROM CUTTING BACK SATURDAY SERVICE. AND AS THE PRESIDENT OF HALLUCINATE MARK NOTED IN A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING LAST YEAR, SUCH REDUCTIONS IN SERVICE COULD LEAD TO A DEATH SPIRAL WHERE SERVICE REDUCTIONS AND THE DECLINING CONSUMER BASE ARE SELF-RE-ENFORCING. THE POSTAL COMMISSION FOUND THAT ELIMINATING ONE DAY OF MAIL SERVICE WOULD CAUSE 25% OF ALL FIRST CLASS AND PRIORITY MAIL TO BE DELAYED, OFTEN BY TWO DAYS. THIS HAS SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES THAT OUGHT TO BE, I THINK, EXAMINED CAREFULLY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS DIRECTION. THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST, MR. SPEAKER, THAT THE POST OFFICE SHOULD BE IMMUNE, LIKE ANY BUSINESS OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY WE ALL IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES, IN CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES, NEED TO CONSIDER NEW WAYS OF DOING BUSINESS. AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE IN THE POSTAL SERVICE, WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO WORK THERE, POSTAL SUPERVISORS, LETTER CARRIERS, CLERKS, THE POSTMASTERS, THEY ALL HAVE IDEAS. THEY ALL ARE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF A SOLUTION AND I HOPE THAT CONGRESS APPROACHES THIS IN THE SAME FASHION. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, PART OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TIES US TOGETHER NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A BROAD CONTEXT. WE’VE ALL BEEN DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE AFTERMATH OF 9/11. THE ANTHRAX SITUATION WE’VE HAD HERE, POTENTIAL PANDEMICS THAT — WHERE THERE ARE HEALTH CRISES. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE QUICKLY IN TIMES OF NEED, TO GET THEM INFORMATION? TO CHECK ON PEOPLE? TO DISTRIBUTE POTENTIAL MEDICINES? YOU KNOW, THE POSTAL SERVICE, WITH 2/3 OF A MILLION EMPLOYEES, A NATIONWIDE NETWORK OF OVER 0 FACILITIES, PEOPLE WHO HAVE EQUIPMENT, WHO HAVE NO-HOW, KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMMUNITY, THE SAME WAY THEY HELP PEOPLE WITH THE RIGHT TAX FORMS FOR IMMIGRATION — OR IMMIGRATION COULD ALSO BE A RESOURCE IN TIME OF NATURAL DISASTER, EPIDEMIC OR TERRORISM. LET’S THINK BIG, LET’S THINK FAIRLY, LET’S NOT HAVE AN ARTIFICIAL CRISIS, LET’S DEAL MEANINGFULLY WITH THIS CRITICAL RESOURCE THAT AMERICA HAS DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST 235 YEARS, NOT SCAPEGOAT THE EMPLOYEES, NOT SCAPEGOAT THE MANAGEMENT, AND HAVE CONGRESS BE ABLE TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS SAYING, TREAT IT LIKE A BUSINESS, BUT NOT GIVING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY. I THINK IT’S TIME TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, LOOK AT THE RESOURCE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR AMERICA,
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PARTICULARLY RURAL AND SMALL TOWNS. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE SOME OBSERVATIONS ON THIS IMPORTANT TOPIC. THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE
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BALANCE OF HIS TIME. UNDER THE SPEAKER’S ANNOUNCED POLICY OF JANUARY 5, 2011, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS, MR. GOHMERT, FOR 30 MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. WE’RE LIVING IN INTERESTING TIMES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT’S A BIT OF A CHINESE CURSE, MAY YOU LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES. WELL, WE’RE HERE. NOT EXACTLY AS PERHAPS THE FOUNDERS WOULD HAVE HOPED, WHERE WE WOULD HAVE AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT JUST DECLARES THAT WITHOUT CONSULTING CONGRESS HE’S GOING TO COMMIT AMERICAN MILITARY TO AN ACTION WITHOUT KNOWING REALLY WHO HE’S HELPING IN LIBYA, WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN ONCE WE FINISH HELPING THEM AND WITHOUT KNOWING JUST HOW MUCH WE’RE GOING TO SUFFER AND JUST HOW MUCH OUR CLOSEST ALLIES LIKE ISRAEL ARE GOING TO SUFFER AFTER THIS PRESIDENT UNILATERALLY, WITHOUT CONSULTING CONGRESS, COMMITS OUR MOST VALUABLE ASSETS, AMERICAN LIVES, NOT TO MENTION THE TREASURE, ANT AMERICAN EQUIPMENT. FOR THOSE — AND THE AMERICAN EQUIPMENT. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EARS AND THOSE WHO HAVE EYES, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAYS, OH, BUT WE’RE NOT TO WORRY, EVENTUALLY WE’LL TURN IT OVER TO NATO, AND THEN HAS A GRANDIOSE ANNOUNCEMENT, WE’RE TURNING IT OVER TO NATO, THAT ACTUALLY THE UNITED STATES MILITARY IS 65% OF NATO’S MILITARY. BECAUSE THERE’S SUPPOSED TO BE A REGULAR ORDER TO THINGS AND IN FACT REPUBLICANS RAN LAST YEAR SAYING, WE’RE GOING TO GET BACK TO REGULAR ORDER. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WENT THROUGH FOR THE PRECEDING FOUR YEARS WITH THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY AND SPEAKER PELOSI IN CHARGE WAS THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY CAME TO THE HOUSE FLOOR OVER AND OVER WITH BILLS THAT NOT GONE THROUGH COMMITTEE PROCESS. AND THEN THEY WERE BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR WITH NO OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS WHATSOEVER. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE THIS YEAR, WE’VE HAD LOTS OF AMENDMENTS. WE’VE HAD AN INCREDIBLY OPEN PROCESS ON THE FLOOR COMPARED TO WHAT HAD HAPPENED THE PRECEDING FOUR YEARS. WHEN THERE WERE MORE CLOSED RULES THAN THERE HAD EVER BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY. MEANING NO INPUT, BASICALLY SHUTTING OUT THE ALMOST HALF OF AMERICA THAT REPUBLICANS REPRESENTED. IT WAS OUR WAY AND NO HIGHWAY. THAT’S NOT THE WAY REGULAR ORDER WAS SUPPOSED TO GO. AND WE WERE ASSURED BY OUR OWN LEADERSHIP, OF COURSE, THAT ONCE THE MAJORITY IT WAS BACK TO REGULAR ORDER. AND THEN OVER AND OVER BIG THINGS HAD TO BE DEALT WITH, NOT THAT THEY COULDN’T HAVE BEEN FORESEEN. IT COULD BE REASONABLY FORESEEN THAT A CONTINUING RESOLUTION WAS GOING TO HAVE TO OCCUR AND LO AND BEHOLD IT CAME UPON US IN THE SPRING AS IF IT HAD NEVER BEEN CONTEMPLATED AND WE WERE TOLD THERE’S NO TIME FOR REGULAR ORDER ON THESE THINGS, WE JUST GOT TO DO IT, CAN’T HAVE AMENDMENTS, CAN’T CUT OFF FUNDING FOR OBAMACARE, EVEN THOUGH WE CUT OFF FUNDING FOR SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CONSIDERED LEGISLATING, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE BILL AS IT CAME FROM — DIRECTLY FROM COMMITTEE,, IT’S OK, SO THE RULES COMMITTEE WAIVED ANY POINT OF ORDER OBJECTIONS. NOW, THAT’S INSIDE BASEBALL, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS EVEN THOUGH WE’VE DONE A BETTER JOB OF ALLOWING AMENDMENTS HERE OP THE FLOOR, WE — ON THE FLOOR, WE STILL HAVEN’T GOTTEN BACK TO REGULAR ORDER. WE’VE GONE FROM ONE CRISIS TO ANOTHER CRISIS AND HAVE HAD TO TELL AMERICA, GEE, THIS IS
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ANOTHER CRISIS, SO WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH REGULAR ORDER. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TOMORROW MOST LIKELY, POSSIBLY FRIDAY, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR. IT WAS PART OF THE DEBT CEILING AGREEMENT THAT WAS NEGOTIATED END OF JULY, END OF THE SUMMER SESSION, BEFORE THE AUGUST RECESS. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A VOTE ON A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. NO SPECIFICATION AS TO WHAT BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT IT WOULD BE. WELL, ALONG THE LINES OF THE SO-CALLED REGULAR ORDER, WE HAVE HAD A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT, WE’VE HAD HEARINGS ON IT, WE’VE HAD — IT MARKED UP OUT OF SUBCOMMITTEE, COMMITTEE, CAME TO THE FLOOR, JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, WE HAD A LONG, PROTRACTED MARKUP. IN OTHER WORDS, MARKUP IS SIMPLY THE HEARING WHERE ANYBODY CAN BRING ANY AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE DEBATE, FULL DEBATE, AND ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE WHO HAS ANY AMENDMENT THEY WANT TO BRING TO
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THAT BILL, THEY CAN BRING IT TO THE BILL.
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THAT’S REGULAR ORDER. WE HAD THAT IN COMMITTEE.
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. ON THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT AND OUR GOOD FRIEND FROM VIRGINIA WHO HAS BEEN SUCH A LONG SUFFERING VALIANT WARRIOR BUDGET AMENDMENT, IT WAS HIS BILL. HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION 1. AND I HAD AN AMENDMENT TO THAT RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED THE CAP ON SPENDING FROM 20% OF GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT TO A CAP OF 18% OF THE GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT AND THAT AMENDMENT PASSED. THAT’S REGULAR ORDER. THAT’S HOW YOU DO IT. SOME OF US HAD AMENDMENTS THAT DIDN’T GET PASSED. BUT WE STILL HAD THE CHANCE TO BRING THEM, TO HAVE OUR CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THEM, DEBATE ON THEM, HAVE EVERY OTHER MEMBER ON THE COMMITTEE WHO WISHED TO SPEAK ON EVERY AMENDMENT BE HEARD. THOSE THINGS MAKE FOR A LONG, DRAWN OUT HEAR — FOR LONG, DRAWN OUT HEARINGS, AND THAT’S WHAT WE HAD. THAT’S CALLED REGULAR ORDER. IS INVOLVED CAN HAVE INPUT. AND THAT’S WHAT WE HAD. AND AFTER THAT LONG PROTRACTED PROCESS, WE VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE, AFFIRMATIVELY VOTING OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE OUT OF THE COMMITTEE VOTING FOR THE ULTIMATE PRODUCT AFTER THAT LONG, ARDUOUS DEBATE VOTING PROCESS, WE VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. NOW, I’M GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND THE RULES COMMITTEE HAS TAKEN UP A DIFFERENT BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT AND WE ARE TOLD WE DIDN’T NEED TO GO THROUGH REGULAR ORDER FOR THAT. WE ARE BRINGING A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT DID NOT COME OUT OF COMMITTEE, THAT WAS NOT VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND IT REMINDS ME A GREAT DEAL OF THE OUTLANDISH HEARINGS THAT THE ENERGY AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE HAD WHEN THEY CAME FORTH WITH A 1,000-PAGED HEALTH CARE BILL IN THE LAST CONGRESS. AND THERE WAS A LOT OF STRONG HANDEDNESS THAT BROUGHT THAT BILL OUT OF COMMITTEE AND IT WAS CLEAR FROM THE POLLS THAT THAT WAS NOT WHAT AMERICA WANTED. BUT THEN BY THE TIME THE SPEAKER, SPEAKER PELOSI, AND LEADER REID DOWN THE HALL, PRESIDENT OBAMA, HAD THEIR SAY, THAT THOUSAND-PAGE BILL THAT WAS VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE, TURNED INTO ULTIMATELY A 2,000-PAGE BILL. THAT CAME TO THE FLOOR, NOT
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APPEARED. UNDER REGULAR ORDER, IT JUST NOBODY KNEW WHO HAD WRITTEN IT BUT WHEN WE TOOK THE MAJORITY, WE WERE GOING TO DO BETTER. SEE WHO WAS PUSHING WHAT AMENDMENT, SEE WHAT GOT VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE AND HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD COME TO THE FLOOR. THIS WEEK, WE’RE GOING TO TAKE UP A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT, DIDN’T COME OUT OF COMMITTEE. WE’RE TOLD WE GOT TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT’S ANOTHER CRISIS. WE GOT TO. WE GOT TO. IT DOESN’T HAVE A SPENDING CAP ON IT. NOT EVEN THE 20% OF G.D.P. AMENDED DOWN TO 18%, NONE OF THAT REGULAR ORDER WOULD MEAN THAT WE BRING SOMETHING TO THE FLOOR THAT WAS VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE. AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE GOT TO GET BACK TO REGULAR ORDER, WHICH WAS PROMISED TO THE MERP PEOPLE IF THEY WOULD PUT US BACK IN CHARGE. AND IT’S GOOD POLITICALLY. FOR BOTH PARTIES. BECAUSE EACH SIDE GETS TO SHOW IN COMMITTEE AND HERE ON THE FLOOR WHAT AMENDMENTS THEIR PUSHING FOR, SO BY THE TIME A LAW GETS PASSED, IT’S BEEN FULLY DEBATED AND TALKED ABOUT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAST MAJORITY. THEY WERE SHOVING BILLS DOWN OUR THROATS, DOWN AMERICA’S THROATS, WITHOUT ANY REAL DEBATE. THAT’S HOW YOU COULD GET A COMMENT FROM THE SPEAKER LIKE GOT TO PASS THE BILL TO FIND OUT WHAT’S IN IT. CAME TO THE FLOOR WITH A FULL AND OPEN DEBATE. NO, WE JUST BYPASSED THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HURT THIS IS COUNTRY AND THIS CONGRESS IS WE HAVEN’T GOTTEN BACK TO REGULAR ORDER LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO. WE’VE DONE A LOT BETTER A WHOLE LOT BETTER BECAUSE OF THE AMENDMENT DEBATE, BUT WE
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HAVEN’T GOTTEN BACK TO REGULAR ORDER. SO WE’RE GOING TO BRING A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE FLOOR THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT WAS FULLY DEBATED, FULL OPPORTUNITY FOR AMENDMENT AND COMMITTEE, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY ON THE FLOOR. NO, SIR. NOT GOING TO HAVE IT. WE’RE TOLD WE CAN’T HAVE A SPENDING CAP IN THE ONE WE’RE
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GOING TO HAVE ON THE FLOOR. WHY? NOT BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE VOTED IT DOWN. THEY DIDN’T. BECAUSE THE BODY VOTED NOT TO HAVE IT HERE IN CONGRESS. BUT BECAUSE WE’RE TOLD THAT WHAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE CANNOT BE WHAT COMES TO THE FLOOR. I RECALL PEOPLE PREVIOUSLY SAYING THAT REGULAR ORDER MAKES FOR BETTER LAW. AND ALLOWS THE HOUSE TO WORK ITS WILL. WELL, HOW IS IT THAT WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING UP THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE. THAT’S REGULAR ORDER. THAT’S THE HOUSE WORKING ITS WILL. WHAT STAFF MEMBER DECIDED WE WEREN’T GOING TO GET TO HAVE A SPENDING CAP THAT WE COULD DEBATE AND VOTE ON? WE KNOW THAT STAFF MEMBERS HAD A LOT TO DO WITH OBAMACARE OR PRESIDENT’S HEALTH CARE BILL, BECAUSE THERE’S PROVISION IN THERE THAT EXEMPTED THE SPEAKER’S STAFF FROM HAVING TO BE UNDER OBAMACARE WHEN ALL THE REST OF US WERE GOING TO BE UNDER IT, INCLUDING MEMBERS. SO YOU KIND OF FIGURE YOU MUST HAVE STAFF WRITING THAT ONE. WHAT STAFF MEMBER DECIDED THAT WE COULDN’T BRING TO THE FLOOR THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT CAME THROUGH REGULAR ORDER OUT OF COMMITTEE. BECAUSE THAT BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT FULLY DEBATED, FULLY — OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND IN COMMITTEE, THE REGULAR ORDER MEANS WE’D HAVE THAT SAME
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HERE. OPPORTUNITY WITH THE WHOLE BODY WHO WAS IT? A STAFF MEMBER? WHO WAS IT THAT JUST DECIDED WE CAN’T DO WHAT THE BODY DECIDED WAS THE WILL OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE WILL OF THE HOUSE. WHO INTERVENED? KNOW. BUT THE RIGHT THING TO DO WOULD BE TO BRING THE BALANCED BUDGET
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AMENDMENT WITH THE SPENDING CAP. THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF AMENDMENTS, ADDRESSING THE SPENDING CAP. SOME FOLKS DIDN’T WANT IT, THEY LOST. THERE WAS THE PROVISION FOR A SUPERMAJORITY TO RAISE TAXES ON THAT BILL THAT WAS VOTED OUT OF COMMITTEE. WELL, THAT’S NOT IN THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. WHY? I DON’T KNOW WHY. WE’RE BRINGING — TOLD WE’RE BRINGING TO THE FLOOR A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT APPEARED AND WE DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BRINGING IT OUT OF COMMITTEE. BUT WE’RE TOLD WE HAVE TO PASS THIS ONE BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS A CHANCE TO PASS EVEN THOUGH THE SENATE SAYS THEY’RE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN. EVEN THOUGH WE’VE GOT DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP SAYING THEY’RE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN. WELL, IF PEOPLE ON THE OTHER AISLE IN THE HOUSE AND THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE SAY THEY’RE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN, THEN WHY ARE WE BRINGING TO THE FLOOR A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT A MAJORITY VOTED FOR AND DEBATED AND AMENDED AND VOTED DOWN AMENDMENTS. AND PASSED IT OUT TO COME TO THE FLOOR IN THAT ORDER. HOW IS IT THAT WE’RE TRYING ONCE AGAIN IN THE HOUSE AS A MAJORITY TO STRIVE TO PASS A BILL TO HIT A MARK THAT WE THINK MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHANCE THAT THE SENATE MAY PASS AS WELL? WHEN WE’RE TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT’S NOT EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE IN, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE IN BECAUSE WE’VE GOT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THE SENATE WILL WELL, IF WE’D BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE NOT GOING TO ASSIST, THAT THE SENATE IS GOING TO VOTE IT DOWN, THEN WHY NOT BRING TO THIS FLOOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS AS A MAJORITY OUGHT TO BE PASSED? IT’S GOING TO MAKE IT REAL CONFUSING A YEAR FROM NOW IN NOVEMBER FOR VOTERS. WHEN REPUBLICAN JOTE IN THE HOUSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AS THE FOUNDERS ENVISIONED AND FACE OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN THE MAJORITY, WE DIDN’T BRING TO THE FLOOR THE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVED IN. WE BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR THINGS WE WERE HOPING MAYBE THE NAT WOULD AGREE TO GO ALONG WITH. WE’RE BRINGING TO THE FLOOR WHAT’S CALLED A MINI BUS THAT’S GOING TO HAVE SOME APPROPRIATIONS ON IT, BUT ACTUALLY IT WENT THROUGH THE CONFERENCE PROCESS, YET THE UNDERLYING BILL THAT PASSED OUT OF THE HOUSE WAS NOT A BILL THAT A MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE REALLY THOUGHT WOULD BE THE BEST, IT WAS A BILL THAT WE
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PASS. THOUGHT MAYBE THE SENATE WOULD SO WE COMPROMISED WITH OURSELVES AND THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE THINKING WE’D COMPROMISE WITH OURSELVES IN THE HOUSE, THAT MAYBE THE SENATE WOULD VOTE THROUGH JUST WHAT WE PASSED BUT NO, THEY DIDN’T. THEY COMPROMISED WITH US FURTHER AFTER WE COMPROMISED WITH OURSELVES TRYING TO HIT THE MARK THAT WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD PASS. SO IT GOES TO CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND WE’RE FURTHER REQUIRED TO COMPROMISE WITH OURSELVES, WHAT WAS THE SENSE OF THAT? NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON A BILL, AN APPROPRIATIONS BILL, WHERE DIDN’T EVEN START OUT HITTING THE MARK WE THOUGHT WAS BEST BUT RATHER HITTING THE MARK THAT WE THOUGHT GEE, MAYBE THE SENATE WOULD PASS?
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IT’S GOING TO BE CONFUSING TO VOTERS. WE’RE GOING TO SAY, HERE ARE THE THINGS WE BELIEVE IN, NEXT YEAR, IN NOVEMBER, AND THEY’RE GOING TO SAY, WHY DIDN’T YOU PASS THAT? AND APPARENTLY, THE RESPONSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, WELL, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO PASS SOMETHING WE THOUGHT THE SENATE WOULD PASS. AND THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO
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PRINCIPLE? RESPOND, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE YOU TOLD US IN NOVEMBER OF 2010 YOU WERE GOING TO STAND ON? AND UNLESS WE GET BACK TO THE REGULAR ORDER IN THIS BODY, WE’RE GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE. BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW VOTERS IN AMERICA WE PASSED IN THE HOUSE WHAT WE BELIEVED WITH ALL OUR HEARTS AMERICA. WE ARE GOING TO CUT SPENDING. SO WE CUT SPENDING. WE CUT OVER $4 TRILLION OVER 10 YEARS. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT. BUT INSTEAD, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM, WELL, NOW, WE WERE TRYING TO HIT A MARK THAT WASN’T TOO HIGH BECAUSE WE WERE HOPING THE SENATE WOULD JUST PASS IT WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A CONFERENCE. THAT’S WHY IT WILL BE CONFUSING TO VOTERS. I KNOW YOU’RE SAYING YOU BELIEVED IN THOSE THICKS BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU PASSED. IT’S TIME TO START PASSING WHAT WE AS THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE BELIEVE IS RIGHT. AND FORCE THE SENATE TO PASS WHAT THEY THINK IS RIGHT. THE BIG GIVEAWAY SPENDING BILLS. FORCE THEM TO PASS THOSE. DON’T COME DOWN HERE AND COMPROMISE WITH OURSELVES AND BILL THAT WE THINK, EVEN THOUGH IT SPENDS MORE THAN WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE, WE THINK, GEE, MAYBE THE SENATE WILL GO ALONG, BECAUSE THAT LOOKS TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIKE WE’RE JUST
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LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED SENATE. BUT IF WE STAND FIRM ON PRINCIPLE IN THIS BODY AND SAY, HERE’S WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, HERE’S WHAT WENT THROUGH REGULAR ORDER, HERE’S WHAT WAS PASSED OUT OF JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, HERE’S THE BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT AND WE TOOK IT TO THE FLOOR AND WE HAVE WIDE OPEN AMENDMENTS, WIDE OPEN DEBATES, THE AMERICAN PUBLIC COULD SEE THIS BODY AT WORK AND WE PASSED WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS RIGHT FOR AMERICA. AND THEN FORCED THE SENATE TO PASS WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT FOR AMERICA. AND NOT CONTINUE TO GIVE THE DEMOCRAT MAJORITY WHO WANT TO SPEND LIKE CRAZY IN THE SENATE, WE KEEP GIVING THEM COVER BECAUSE WE WON’T STAND ON WHAT WE BELIEVE AND PASS THAT HERE IN THE HOUSE. THAT’S WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE DOING. THAT BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT OUGHT TO BE THE ONE THAT CAME OUT OF THE JEW KISH DISHARY COMMITTEE. IT OUGHT TO HAVE A SPENDING CAP. IT OUGHT TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY IN ORDER TO RAISE TAXES. THAT WAS ON THAT BILL. THERE WERE EFFORTS TO STRIKE THAT PART OUT. THERE WERE A ROT OF AMENDMENTS. SOME TO STRIKE THINGS LIKE THAT OUT, SOME TO PUT OTHER THINGS IN, SOME TO MAKE IT WEAK. BUT WE FOUGHT THOSE OFF SUCCESSFULLY IN COMMITTEE AND CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH A GOOD, STRONG, BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. THAT’S WHAT OUGHT TO COME TO THE FLOOR. NOT THE WEAK-KNEED ONE WE’RE GOING TO GET. . BECAUSE A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT LOOKS LIKE A PRESCRIPTION FOR SPIRALING UPWARD TAXES BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN EVEN WITH A CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, IT’S JUST SPENDING. BECAUSE WE ARE TOLD WE’VE GOT TO SPEND TO GET THE SENATE TO GO ALONG WITH THESE BILLS. IT’S TIME TO TAKE THE TOUGH STANDS. AMERICA’S IN TROUBLE. IT’S IN BIG TROUBLE. AND AS WE FIGHT THESE BATTLES, IT DOESN’T HELP TO HAVE PEOPLE JUMPING ON A BAND WAGON THAT REALLY WASN’T THE BAND WAGON THEY SHOWED THEMSELVES TO REALLY BELIEVE IN PREVIOUSLY. AND BY THAT, I’M TALKING ABOUT SECRETARY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, HE WROTE THIS SCATHING LETTER TALKING ABOUT HOW IF THE SEQUESTRATION OCCURS, HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS ARE CUT FROM DEFENSE OF — I BELIEVE IT WAS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED MILLION OF OUR MILITARY. LITTLE IRONIC COMING FROM THE CURRENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE
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DEFENSE. OF THE AISLE BELIEVE IN A STRONG WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS OUR NUMBER ONE JOB TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE, BECAUSE IF WE DON’T DO THAT, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS JUST GO AWAY, AND WE’RE OVERTAKEN BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BRING DOWN OUR WAY OF LIFE. BUT IF YOU LOOK TO WHAT SECRETARY PANETTA’S WAS PARTICIPATING IN BACK IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF LOOK AT WHAT REALLY WAS BELIEVED AT THE TIME. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THOSE TOUTING HIS TIME AS PRESIDENT, CLAIMING, GEE, HE IS THE ONE PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY CUT THE FEDERAL WORK FORCE. NO, HE DIDN’T. HE CUT THE MILITARY. HE DIDN’T CUT THE FEDERAL WORK FORCE, HE CUT THE MILITARY. ONLY AREA THAT HE CUT. AND WE PAID A MASSIVE PRICE AFTER 9/11, BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET BACK UP BECAUSE WE ONCE AGAIN FOUND HAVING A STRONG DEFENSE IS IMPORTANT.
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REAGAN TRIED TO WARN US ABOUT THAT. PEOPLE DON’T GET ATTACKED BECAUSE THEY ARE PERCEIVED AS BEING TOO STRONG, THEY GET ATTACKED WHEN PEOPLE PERCEIVE THEM AS BEING WEAK, AND THAT’S HOW WE WERE PERCEIVED. IN JANUARY OF 1993, WHEN NOW SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PANETTA STARTED AS A PART OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, THERE WERE 1,761,000 400 MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY. 1994, SECRETARY PANETTA STARTED AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THAT CONTINUED THROUGH JANUARY OF 1997. SO LET’S TAKE A LOOK FROM THE TIME SECRETARY PANETTA STARTED AS PART OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WE WENT FROM 1,761,481 MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY TO IN JANUARY OF 1997 WHEN HE LEFT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, 1,457,413 MEMBERS. THAT’S A 304,068 DROP IN MEMBERS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE MILITARY WHILE HE WAS PART OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. SEEMS TO FALL A LITTLE BIT ON DEAF EARS WHEN YOU HAVE A SECRETARY CRYING ABOUT CUTS TO WHEN HE PRESIDED OVER A FAR MORE DRACONIAN CUT OVER THAT SAME MILITARY WHEN HE WAS PART OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. THE PROBLEM IS, WE CAN’T AFFORD MASSIVE CUTS TO OUR DEFENSE, AND AT THE VERY TIME THEY’RE OK WITH THAT, THE PRESIDENT GOES DOWN TO AUSTRALIA AND SAYS WE ARE GOING TO COMMIT DROOPS DOWN HERE, TOO. THE PRESIDENT IS COMMITTING TROOPS ALL OVER THE PLACE WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO LIBYA OR EGYPT OR THE OUTCOME OF WHAT IS BEING DONE, WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN AT THE END. AND WE ARE GOING TO PAY A SEVERE PRICE. WE NEED TO STAND FOR A SOLID DEFENSE. AND IF WE GET BACK TO A REGULAR ORDER IN THIS BODY WHERE THINGS ARE VOTED OUT OF SUBCOMMITTEE AFTER A FULL CHANCE TO AMEND, VOTED OUT OF THE FULL COMMITTEE WITH FULL CHANCE TO AMEND AND BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR AS THEY COME OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND FULLY DEBATED AND FULLY AMENDED HERE ON THE FLOOR, AMERICA WILL SEE WHO STANDS FOR WHAT, AND IT WILL BE EASIER FOR THE VOTERS IN THE NEXT ELECTION AND IT WILL BE EASIER FOR ALL OF US TO TELL WHAT IT IS THAT THE AMERICAN VOTERS ARE WANTING BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A CLEAR VIEW OF JUST EXACTLY WHAT THEIR’S GETTING. — OF WHAT THEY’RE GETTING. I ENJOY “LIBERTY AND TYRANNY.” IT OUGHT TO BE A TEXTBOOK AND LET ME FINISH WITH THIS QUOTE FROM RONALD REAGAN THAT MARK PUTS IN HIS BOOK. HOW CAN LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND FISCAL RESTRAINT BE EQUATED WITH LACK OF COMPASSION FOR THE POOR? HOW CAN A TAX BREAK THAT PUTS MONEY IN THE PAYCHECKS OF WORKING PEOPLE BE SEEN AS AN ATTACK ON THE NEEDY SINCE WHEN DO WE IN AMERICA BELIEVE THAT OUR SOCIETY IS MADE UP OF TWO OPPOSED CLASSES, ONE RICH, ONE POOR AND NEITHER ABLE TO GET
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AHEAD AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OTHER. SINCE WHEN DO WE IN AMERICA ACCEPT THE THEORY OF SOCIAL AND CLASS WARFARE, SINCE WHEN DO WE IN AMERICA ENDORSE THE POLITICS OF ENVY AND DIVISION? IT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT’S PREACHING RIGHT NOW. IT NEEDS TO STOP AND TIME TO PROVIDE FOR THE COMMONS DEFENSE AND GET BACK TO REGULAR ORDER IN THIS BODY AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE BETTER OFF FOR IT. WITH THAT, MR. SPEAKER, I YIELD BACK.
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THE GENTLEMAN YIELDS BACK THE
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BALANCE OF HIS TIME. FOR WHAT PURPOSE DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS RISE? MOVE THAT WE DO NOW HEREBY ADJOURN. THE QUESTION IS ON THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MOTION IS ADOPTED. ACCORDINGLY THE HOUSE STANDS

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