2019 04 12 FMRS Autonomous Automobiles-Good or Bad?

2019 04 12 FMRS   Autonomous Automobiles-Good or Bad?

welcome to the student debate this and let me begin acknowledging the presence of mrs. Jeanette Pearson representing Reich energy which has given the cash prize for the winners of the debate so thank you very much indeed and welcome we have a debate on the topic this house believes that autonomously driven cars are a good thing for society the two sides are from one side Team B is from Peter Paz mainly Catholic University team a from the IBS which is the the International Business School in Budapest thank you very much now let's let me go first therefore to team a and that and ask the proposer mr. mark ambrose mark to to talk I'm sorry perhaps I could ask you to make a brief presentation before we start thank you so before the debate give you some kind of introduction to the topic and I'm sure that we will go deep into the rabbit hole after that so just first let me speak in a few slides about this out I miss Vivian cars and its importance so society and economics just a few words about my background I work for a net internet research company we do market research in topics like these trends and so on and the other one is called – University of Budapest where I work and teach business informatics students about information society related topics and market research methodologies so let me ask a short question that do you like driving if you if you like driving please raise your hands if you like driving that's great please okay it's a raise your hand if you don't like driving so if you dislike ok so I have a good news and the bad news as well ingredients is that that just driving will be illegal I mean human human driving will be illegal in the future in the next 10 to 20 years there is a trend like that that's the bad news if you like drive if you like driving that's good news for you but at the same time most probably fatal accidents will be fewer in the future so this is a good impact of this trend so human riving will be illegally in the future most probably of course beep speak speak about the future and me speak about the trends and but I will show you only puzzles about this future and I'm not sure that everything will be ok and everything will be ready in the in that future that I said so these are scenarios rather than 100% show reality in the future ok so what will be the future deriving like in the future it's it will be it will be a hobby like you remember for example that in different epochs of the human history we had different activities like which are right now hobbies I mean running for example gathering hunting tinkering and so on and driving will be one of the DOS so we will be will be in a new age age of machines or artificial intelligence and so on and so the recent activities which are more common and professional like will be hobbies like driving so we will drive in amusement parks you can pick a car there will be a race you can make a course or more of them and then you can you can go home with a mitten autonomous car it will be impact of the of that of the life of the truck drivers and the official drivers professional drivers for example they will lose their jobs in the in the States there are approximately 3 million truck drivers and the 2/3 of them will lose their job between 5 to 10 years and but at the same time we can say that for example in Hungary there is a shortage of truck drivers even most probably or-or-or this is the long-distance driving you don't want to spend your time with your family away for six weeks or four weeks I have a family member living that life in the neck and up in the past 30 years it's a very hard job so it's at one point they will lose their job but and the other point that sometimes for some how it can be also good I have two scenarios about this future not only for helping to the students but of course they have received some materials in advance and they can prepare for themselves for this debate but for for you as well this the future scenario of the cars in the first case that we will own a car how we will own the cars in the future and I think it will be some kind of looks very good so owning the car won't be so common as right now so rather not the majority but the minority of people will own car because it will be expensive and they'll be better there will be better ways to traffic from one point to another point but at the same time if you own a car in that future it will be it will mean that you don't need to drive that car but you can use that car as some kind of private space like a mum like a mobile living room where you can sit or take a nap or play or have a chat or have a business meeting or or anything else activity which is not so common right now in the cars so this is it will be some kind of personal space in the other scenario and I think they will be coexists so we have two trends will be which will be together at the same time in the same place it will be I think it will be more common that car will be a common space it won't be your own car but it will be a car which can take you from point A to point B and it depends on your needs you can use a pool of cars smaller cars when you need to travel alone bigger cars when in summer time and holiday and of course that this kind of services and it will be a service and not owning a car it will have impact on your life and you can have a plan for that I mean just paying a monthly fee to use these cars so it will be completely different right than right now with different business models we can ask the question that who drives this future this kind of innovation of cars of course there are traditional car manufacturers and main players and they are interested in in that kind of view sure that which based on their activities and their industrial possibilities and if you take into account that the biggest companies are oil companies at and out of industry companies so take a look for example the Hungarian the biggest Hungarian companies I mean more it is the Gaza oil oil company or OD for example which is also car manufacturer so they are interested to build their own future about that and at the same time we have new players or new innovators for somewhere Tesla uber or lyft they want to completely change in this whole area and I think it will be a big fight between these two scenarios of course it will change a lot of things not only directly the outer motive industry but everything around it for example from fuel stations which is most common that you if you have a car you go off your station at least one or two times a month and visit that and if you don't have or if you have a service or a pool of cars which are electric cars you don't need to charge them by yourself see you won't visit these fuel stations anymore which is bad news for an oil company so they done they want to transfer transform themselves to another kind of company but of course it will change the insurance policy as well because if you don't own the car anyway you need to somehow pay for the insurance but how will you painful for that kind of service visit right now on the edge of the car and your driving license and your activities in the past and so on it will completely change as well what is very important this is some kind of negative point as bad that cars are underused right now they use only four times of their lifetime which means that it's some kind of just spending money for which which you don't really use at all it will be increased but if it will be increased it will have environmental effect for example traffic jams we have traffic jams in the morning and we have traffic jams usually on the evening but we can help traffic jams all the time which is not so good because if we have if you use cars only four percent in their lifetime and a lot of cars and they use each time you'll be increased and most probably can have impact on roads and so on but I'm a sociologist so I think it will be a very important effect on the society and focus upon the city structure the motorization in that in the 20th century in the beginning of the 20th century it's completely changed the structure of the American city because people can put effort to move in the suburbs and left the city centers and living place and working place divided which means that the city has transformed and slums emergent so on so it can have wider social impacts as at the same time so that was me thank you for that's listening my presentation and I will give your floor thank you thank you very much Robert I should say that I am the perfect judge for this since I have never learnt to drive so I'm going to go straight into the debate I will just repeat again the the motion before the house this house believes that autonomously driven cars are a good thing for society may I begin by asking mr. Ambrose mark to lead for the resolution thank you so thank you John thank you for the introduction and also greetings everyone this house believes that autonomously driven cars are good things for society and we have many reasons for that first of all I will mention the big safety which is probably the most important one then I will go into time and energy control and choices urban planning and development all of which is heavily affected by the new revolution of the car industry so first of all safety let's imagine for a second that there are three thousand two hundred and seven crashes and day that result in death in human death that is more than two in a single minute now let's imagine that 10% of these who have died or children below 15 years old and over 50% who are below 40 years old more over 50 million people get injured a day 50 million that heavily injured by car accidents that is one in every two seconds and these are only 7 percent 7 percent of all car accidents which result in a total 715 million accidents a day worldwide 750 million accident which is 8200 68 every second this can be reduced to 496 by driving autonomous cars 494 percent of all accidents are caused by human error like speeding drunk driving smoke and drive and etc I will cover those later on and another thing that has to be mentioned that 60% of population lives in urban settlements and according to the UN this is going to increase to 70 percent in the next 10 years so the density of the population is increasing and so or the number of cores in a certain area in a two dimensional two dimensional traffic system considering safety direct reaction time of people can also be considered imagine that 0.7 seconds doesn't sound too much is the reaction time of one of the best drivers three seconds is about average three seconds until someone realizes that an action has to be taken under the 30 seconds in an average urban environment 14 meters is driven by the core 40 meters and your no action have been after that 50 meters is the break line so let's imagine that someone is driving and at the end of the room a little children steps on the road because my nose doesn't know the rule was anything can happen to a little kid you know and the core that's in this moment right here cannot literally stop because of physical impossibilities because of the human reaction time this can be eliminated by driving autonomous cars moreover autonomous cars cannot disobey the law and order there won't be any speeding there won't be any riding red light there won't be any accident on purpose autonomous cars are programmed in a certain way to obey the law which humans don't according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 31 percent of accidents happen because of speeding human decision to drive faster than allowed more over 21 percent happen because of phone usage cell phone usage watching youtube videos making phone calls testing on messenger anyhow and this was increased to 35 percent and is estimated to increase more this is more than half of the accidents because of humans disobeying the law and order and this can also result in a spillover effect of better stand police working hours and less crime in other sectors so 121 million US dollar per year is spent on road related issues by the means of police salaries which is a lot of money as you consider it and you consider also the time that police officers spend because of only drunk driving it is more than 20% of an average police officers time that's more than one hour I've now turned to the argument of the case against resolution beginning with the proposer with the opposer mr. Hassan Bono Oh point something I'm not representing any Institute I'm just a student so my colleague here and the pro side he said driving the autonomous car first of all you are not driving an autonomous car second of all you also said eliminating traffic lights you cannot eliminate traffic lights only by making new roads so basically that what's the problem of autonomous car is safety we said and you said it's we have less problems with car accidents but still we have there is a lot of scenarios that cannot be similar done by the computer to understand like let's say to realize on internet that relies on GPS if one of these things got missing the car goes missing also so something else it's how it can help the economy if there is a less car we can sell less car than we we would sell in regular cars also like if something critical is happening to a self-driving car and person who's setting there he doesn't know how to deal with it is it a possibility to have to get get out safe from it and also privacy the company that is selling the car for you it will know where are you going and for for what time and for which direction you are taking so I I don't have a lot of things to say also thank you indeed them and now I now turn to the second er for the resolution and the second of the resolution is mr. never sure thank you I may say that I is giving artificial intelligence to transform in the past and to answer my my colleague that we didn't reach the full automation level yet some companies company has recorded 1 billion mile records and it only we have only three accidents in the mean time for it for every 100 mine we have a car accident and in every 23 seconds passes someone loses slide because of a car accident the main thing the whole automation things it too is about safety our main goal is about safety to reduce people and in I think there will be a pointing that work that vapor will ask about a human interaction when its name and Android phone to conclude the debates of the final contribution for the opposition well so our purpose here is to determine whether on balance this house believes that autonomously driven cars are a good thing for society I'm not gonna deny that there are benefits to autonomous cars there are benefits but also there are some serious disadvantages when I was in high school I had a classmate and her father was a taxi driver and he had two lovely daughters and I also know that he could barely make two ends meet now consider with the introduction of autonomous cars this father of two lovely daughters will lose his job quite quickly and not only taxi drivers are in the picture here as we had it mentioned in this presentation there are over 3.5 million truck drivers alone in the United States imagine if these people lose their jobs in five to ten years how many more families will there be who will be struggling to make both ends meet so thank you very much for your fleshy numbers on on you know safety and reducing the number of accidents but where are the numbers about the welfare of these feminists who are losing their jobs also Weaver it was mentioned in this presentation then we we have we have some issues when it comes to traffic jams in cities now I was talking about a year ago with the former head of the Budapest Transport Center and he very promptly pointed it out to me that if we opted for autonomous cars instead of investing in public transportation the only thing that we'll end up with will be actually loads of traffic jams increased traffic because all those cars that now Park by the side of the and mind me I don't like that site but all those cars they will be on the roads going from point A to B actually you pointed out that population density is growing now I believe that all tournament's cars are hardly an answer to that because that means that it will just simply increase the traffic in the city instead you should invest in public transportation and then hopefully you will actually be able to reduce traffic in the city which also actually leads to less accidents less problems with traffic less environmental pollution better quality of life and security I would like to to just highlight that again of course the technology creates us this opportunity to better control how cars are so going from point A to B and yes potentially we can reduce the number of accidents there a but at the same time we also make ourselves exposed one of the great things about democracy too is actually the free will of the individual and that we decide to pull this free will with the government but we also need to exercise oversight and we do exercise oversight I believe that that's why we are here in this room to talking about the free market and why it's a good idea to take individual responsibility if we give away all our control to systems that we do not necessarily know how labor we also do not know how to how to hold these systems accountable aren't we not exposing ourselves to something here I'm not saying that all those developers they have bad intentions they're definitely not but but we've seen in history that even the best intentioned initiatives can lead to disastrous outcomes and and and in when it comes to security actually I just want to mention the the problem of hacking into these cars here in Hungary now we have a program called the digital welfare program and there are children aged about the Lele threats of of the digital age and in the presentations and in these schools these young people are shown how easy it is for a professional hacker to break into their computers that they think are absolutely protected in a matter of 10 minutes people are in well of course companies will do everything to protect the autonomous vehicles but will we always be safe the answer is no and and yes on the one hand we could improve safety and it all looks amazing in theory but will it also look good in practice that I leave up to you make yourself the decision for a night of good performances now we're coming on to the judges but should we have a vote on the proposition before the judges speak I think we should go their separate questions of course the virtue of the motion and the judges so let's see for those in favor of the proposition that this has believes that automatically driven cars are a good thing for society please raise your hands oh so one two three four and those against one two three four five six seven eight so it's a it's a clear victory for the opposition but now we turn to a much more important question of who wins the prize so perhaps I can now turn to Esther for so so essa is holds an MA in political science she is an expert in French language and literature and as she we discovered when she spoke here an expert also in French politics she's at the doctoral school political science and her doctoral thesis which i think is just been completed is on the perceptions of goal ISM and the change the way that's is changing over time so thank you very much for coming acid and nice to see you dr. mahalik is an independent researcher a senior lecturer an expert in human HR I take it that's human relations yeah and the communication she's an executive coach she has 25 years a professional academic experience and is one of the very few Hungarian coaching experts who have a strong academic background in line with a strong and effective business practice in her interdisciplinary PhD studies she brought into focus how leaders communicate themselves and you will see the rest of her biography in the the notes you have I want to thank both dr. Hynek and as I was coming and giving their time to us and now I turn over the microphone to them we are very happy to be here and we are thrilled by these presentations thank you very much for your contributions they were very interesting you were well prepared and we had a very difficult time deciding we tried to you know give you points we tried to take notes and are very hard time deciding resulted in a split decision and I'll leave it to you to present our final decision in detail thank you very much for invitation as well and I would express my feeling I really appreciate your your courage to be here and to participate in this debate because as most of people here know that in angery there is no that much experience and tradition of public debates so I you are really a pioneers so be proud to yourself and I really congratulate in details I would say that mark prepared himself pretty well for this debate so I really appreciate that you collected a lot of data and a lot of arguments but for the next time I would suggest you to use the data and the arguments more bravely more and so more sophisticated and and please feel free to use them and always try to add some some very personal details to the data so try to try to put all the data into a context that you have something very personal experience and try to touch to try to catch your audience through they very personal emotions feelings fears demands so try to try to try to understand and try to feel even you can make a kind of improvisation for instance you are preparing for for for young people to talk and you just you know find out and at the place and at your speech place that you know there there are there are older people or different age or race or whatever so you have to be flexible and it it means that would be much more much more arguing much more concerning your speech if you could put into a very personal contact context food about it to two other debaters I would say the same thing you were arguing very very strongly with a lot of data but never forget if you have no no picture any kind of picture presentation which could be mean you know regular presentation or just poster presentation which is also obvious recently to talk about data and facts it's really hard it's really hard because because we have no capacity to approach that amount of data and so on so finally I would like to congratulate to the last presenter sorry I couldn't hear your name okay sorry sorry because originally you are not on the list so I would like to really congratulate because as we all experience his speech was really really not only thoughtful but it was really catchy and touchy because what he what he did what he has done he started with a story he is a good storyteller storyteller I guess he learned all the other books about how to deliver a public speech all the American books or at least one because the first lesson is you have to tell a personal story he did so actually he came to stories he started with a high school story and then we also mentioned a conversation or a year ago with an expert I can't remember the details but he really he was he was really enthusiastic he was really full of courage and he did not he he not only discussed with the with the with the data with the facts about security and and the you know the number of accidents and and so on he brought he brought the that his his his topic into a very wide context much more wide and wider context into a social contact context about the public awareness how we the quality of life which is you know not really it's not related to closely to the topic but it was a much wider wider contact and he found all of us to find our very personal way to this to this topic so I really would like to express my congratulation to Ann rash and obviously to the others as well because you you are really very well prepared so the final judge would be announced as their okay so we our working method was the following we decided to give you points and we found when we did the quick calculation that both teams are very close to each other in our notes and we came up with a split decision so there is no clear winner in the averages of our notes and the averages of our evaluations so we'd like to congratulate both teams on an equally stellar performance and this is the decision two winners [Applause] now there is now and there is now about to be a president yes and there's now a presentation to the judges I think I think and congratulations again [Applause]

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